Monday, October 28, 2013

More on Cilic

From Paris, Bercy:


Marin Cilic: ""All the players, they know me and they were really happy to see me and they were really happy that this is over for me...Everybody knows it was like honest mistakes, and it can happen to really anyone. I'm of course definitely against doping, against the players who are cheating, and I would say that there should be some more seminars for the players to be more aware about these things that can happen...It was extremely difficult situations where people were even calling me a doping player and a cheater...My lawyers were put under pressure at that time and told me I have to pull out."

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga: "I just don't know who I have to believe anymore. I feel like everybody lies, even the institutions...I feel like even those who are testing us don't always say the truth."

25 comments:

  1. I am sick and tired of the lies Cilic tries to spread now they are verbal smoke grenades to obfuscate from the fact he took an illegal substance and should be booked for it.

    I am actually planning on writing a short email to one of Germany's leading doping experts Maybe he can explain Cilic's case a little better to us - Dr. Werner Franke is, among other things, an expert on cell-biology and cancer research and has been a vocal fighter for anti-doping throughout his life.

    I am rather curious on his opinion regarding the levels of Nikethamide that were found and the the whole five-days-prior discussion. Let's hope he gets back to me and we can discuss his take on it here with more accurate facts than my previously posted studies on horses...

    I can't remember which other poster it was with a firm medical background, but in any case, I would encourage anybody to look into the whole issue with Cilic and his levels. Maybe we can figure this out?

    The crucial bit, along with the ITF's decision, is in this statement, so I am going to repost it:

    >Cilic said he only learned in September that he had not actually tested positive for the banned stimulant nikethamide, but for its marker (metabolite) N-ethylnicotinamide.

    "By letter dated June 10, the ITF wrote to Marin informing him inaccurately that the urine sample he provided (in Munich) on May 1 had tested positive for nikethamide," said his management.

    "The only things detected in his sample were traces of the metabolite (which is) not a prohibited substance."

    Cilic added: "Until September 13, I haven't realised or my lawyers that there was no nikethamide in my system at all ... and that was not even a part of my conversation at the first hearing.

    "The tribunal over there hasn't realised that because nobody talked about it. And plus, the doctor that was making the analysis hasn't been called as a witness."

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    1. Cilic and his team are hoping that people aren't paying attention and will just remember that the ban got reduced. They're obviously trying to spin his testing positive as something sinister on the part of the doping authorities as though there is a conspiracy out there against those sad, maligned tennis players.

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  2. "against the players who are cheating"

    Please do tell us Marin, who are those players?

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  4. LOL at SnR's retweet of Vitor Belfort posing for a photo with Wayne Odnesnik . Belfort is a mixed martial arts competitor, who's had an anabolic steroid ban........ You couldn't make it up!

    http://instagram.com/p/fntUjSoWgR/ for those who missed it.

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    1. He is also using testosterone replacement therapy and has looked as good as ever partially as a result of it.

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    2. And now he knocked out a man who has one of the hardest chins in the history of the sport. Oh well.

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  5. Shoot, I am terribly late with this one, but there is currently a conference happening in Aarhus, Denmark entitled "PlayTheGame" that might be of interest to some of you. It closes off tomorow, my apologies again for the late notice, with a couple of interesting panel discussions.

    It tackles various issues, among others the upcoming Brazil World Cup ("Mega Events and Democracy" panel tmrw) or Workshops on investigative sports journalism, the impact of social media on sports or match fixing. There will be a huge panel on "Global Sports Governance, Challenges and Alternatives" also tmrw, to name but a few. For the German readers here, the conference features also Grit Hartmann and Jens Weinreich, prolific bloggers/journalists tackling the more sacrosant topics in sports. Stuff is going to be in English, just to clarify.

    Go check it out!

    PlayTheGame : http://www.playthegame.org/conferences/play-the-game-2013.html

    It comes with livestream (nifty!): http://www.playthegame.org/conferences/play-the-game-2013/live-streaming.html

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  6. Nadal on Cilic...

    >Q. Marin Cilic is back this week after his doping suspension. He's been saying that the ITF put pressure on him to withdraw from Wimbledon this year. What do you think about that?
    RAFAEL NADAL: About?

    Q. About the ITF putting pressure on Cilic to withdraw from Wimbledon in June.
    RAFAEL NADAL: (Through translation.) I don't know. I really don't have a lot of information on this case, so I don't like to talk about the things that I really don't know very well, first thing.
    Only thing that I can say is I am happy to see Marin back on tour. He's a good guy and a great player. I don't know what happened, but if he's back, it's because it's fair that he's back. That's all. Happy for that.

    Again, he turns this into a character thing - attesting for Cilic and declaring him "a good guy" - how can know? It is just appearance and NO ONE is beyond any doubt.

    I mean, think of Breaking Bad and Walter White, he is a good guy, right? Yet, he also runs a meth lab on the side...

    http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=94052

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  7. Anyone listening to the commentators talking about cilic's failed test (while he's playing delpo right now)?? Itz absolutely ridiculous how much they r defending him, saying that b/c he had good lawyers the truth was arrived at. They were saying he tested positive & then later negative. Huh?? They also brought up troicki as well.

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    1. I had British commentators and only saw the last half of the second set.

      They analyzed his "new" serve and Ivanisevic's impact mostly... they tried to stay clear of any opinion on matters ban or doping, obviously.

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    2. @team, if u tuned in around the beginning of the 2nd set u would have heard their defensive commentary in favor of Cilic. They were obvious in trying to show how Cilic was the one wronged & good that he had great lawyers to reduce his ban. It was nauseating.
      @arcus, true the commentators have to save their arse & all, but would've been nice if they just stayed neutral instead acting like Cilic was the victim. Would've thought British commentators would be less bias toward the players.

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  8. IMHO, the CAS adjudication in the Troicki case is going to be far more telling than that relating to Cilic.

    Cilic took a supplement containing a banned substance which, as doping agents go, is pretty anemic (sic), It's possible that he knowingly took it (legally) in practice and misjudged the glow time, but it's reasonable to think that it was not taken on the day of competition in order to enhance performance. I am not saying that he should have been let off (the rules are there for a reason), but it is not the type of doping that is most worrisome.

    The Troicki situation is far more concerning to me. Deferring a blood test for 24 hours could mask micro-doping of HGH, or use of autologous blood transfusion (he could hemoduilute with IV fluids, or have blood removed in the interim.

    If he gets away with skipping a test, in this context, my already tenuous confidence in the system will be obliterated.

    @ Hola, the commentators are the last group to acknowledge the specter of doping in tennis. I am guessing that they value their access to the players too much, and fear of legal reprisal, if they cast aspersions.

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  9. "Doping-Spain moving to shed drug-cheat haven label"

    BARCELONA, Oct 30 (Reuters) - For years considered a haven for drug cheats in sport, Spain is facing up to its chequered past and trying to clean its image with a beefed-up anti-doping law.

    Legislators in the Iberian nation, home of such decorated champions as tennis player Rafa Nadal, Formula One driver Fernando Alonso and the world's best soccer team, have set up a new body to replace the national anti-doping agency (AEA) and armed it with enhanced powers under rules that took effect in July.

    The Agency for the Protection of Health in Sport (AEPSAD) is an independent organisation responsible for managing and carrying out doping tests rather than leaving them in the hands of national sports federations.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/doping-spain-moving-shed-drug-cheat-haven-label-173220857--sow.html

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    1. Maybe losing the bit for the Olympic Games was the proverbial last straw, who knows? Or maybe they've realised they are the laughing stock of the (in-the-know) world and are trying to cover up things in a better way...

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    2. Gee, I can't decide which is worse, really, Spain or Jamaica...

      Regarding their independence, well they are part of the Spanish government now, if I understand it correctly. Prior to that, anti-doping was organized by the different federations themselves. That's a step up, no?

      However, here is what the new director of AEPSAD had to say:

      >Legal expert Manuel Quintanar has been named to replace Munoz at AEPSAD and is expected to continue the tougher line.
      Along with a background in criminology, his law school thesis dealt with the subject of repentance and the justice system, an area linked to successful anti-doping probes in which athletes' confessions play a key role.
      "I will always have my hand out to athletes who made a mistake. I ask them to be big enough to recognise their mistakes openly and bravely," Quintanar said at his presentation in Madrid this month.
      "They have to understand that their role is fundamental to put the past behind us once and for all and to guarantee a credible future for Spanish sport," he added.


      Also, fellow THASPers, there is some hope for retesting those Fuentes bloodbags afterall!

      >The CSD and WADA, among others, have filed appeals so the evidence can be turned over for further investigation and the blood bags remain in frozen storage in Barcelona. "We're waiting on the court of appeals but to be talking about this in 2013 is frustrating," said WADA's Howman. "So much time has passed and nothing has happened to make sure this evidence is used to tidy up sport."

      I bet Nadal can't wait for that batch getting retested :)

      http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/10/30/doping-spain-idUKL5N0II1QZ20131030

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    3. All I want for Christmas is a list of the names on those bags.........

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    4. It remains to be seen if AEPSAD is serious organization or a PR joke. If they're serious about cleaning up Spanish athletes than tennis definitely will be in the spotlight with two top 5 players----only time will tell...
      Awesome that the bags r in storage & eager to be thawed! Have a good feeling about this b/c there's several anti-doping agencies appealing. But again, only time will tell...

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    5. They are trying for the 2026 Winter Olympic Games, that's why they are putting forth these anti-doping measures (they dropped out of bidding for the 2022 Winter Games). There is good reason to believe they lost the 2020 Summer Olympics because of the Puerto case and the lack of doping controls in the country.

      I'm hoping these measures are legit and not half-hearted, we'll have to wait and see. I won't hold my breath though.

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  10. Now Miller via NYT/Ben Rothenberg chips in, calling Cilic's lying simply a "voluntary suspension"... nice twist of words here.

    >Stuart Miller, the federation’s antidoping manager, applauded Cilic’s willingness to remove himself from competition. “Voluntary suspension, I think, is a good thing for a player to do because it does demonstrate a good attitude toward the integrity of the game,” Miller said.

    Miller said that in his seven years leading the federation’s antidoping system, players had rarely chosen to begin a voluntary suspension in the middle of a tournament. He added that it was not the federation’s responsibility to ensure the accuracy of any explanation given for suddenly pulling out of a tournament. "

    "“If a player withdraws due to an antidoping rule violation charge, it’s up to them to say what they want to say about that,” Miller said. “And, of course, if it subsequently comes out that the reason for doing so may not have been the real reason, or the complete reason, then it’s up to the player to explain why he or she did what he or she did. (...) “It says if and when there is a violation, then you must publicly disclose it,” Miller said. “That’s all it says. There’s nothing else that is mandatory in terms of public disclosure.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/sports/tennis/top-players-return-raises-questions-about-antidoping-protocols.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

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    1. I applaud Rafael Nadal for taking multiple voluntary suspensions over the years and look forward for his taking some more in the foreseeable future!

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    2. That's what exactly I posted on my FB page :-))) If a player takes voluntary suspension he is forgiven. That's what's happening with Rafael.

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    3. Pro tennis is a sham... How long has this mascarade been going on? I can't believe Miller is actually saying what I've just read. Stand up guys like Dick Pound must be furious... I know I am and I'm just a casual fan.

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  11. There is so much wrong in that quote, it's AMAZING: “Voluntary suspension, I think, is a good thing for a player to do because it does demonstrate a good attitude toward the integrity of the game,”

    Nadal must be the end-all be-all of integrity then.

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  12. Interesting Article on "Muscle Memory Induced By Steroid Use"

    http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/muscle-memory-induced-steroid-134345898.html

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