Wednesday, October 15, 2014

When It Rains...

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  1. Match fixing is a natural consequence of little prize money in first rounds, a sponsor-based salary and huge financial investments required to improve the player's own game through specialized teams (coach, physio, nutritionist, 'sports' doctor, etc.). There's no question about Federer and Nadal dominance in that regard. Djokovic following closely but having a more 'restrained' approach. They reign supreme with the huge amounts of cash they move. Something that, perhaps, doesn't bode well with the medium/long term desires of the ITF. I certainly be more careful with players that start to have juicy and numerous sponsor contracts. Like Dimitrov and Nishikori. Perhaps they'll be the succesors of the dirty crowns in tennis.

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  2. http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/atp-plans-large-scale-review-circuit/53023/#.VD-7ZvnF-
    Perhaps Kermode statements can partially explain the match.fixing phenomenon. It's embarrasing.

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  3. It seems to me that tennis takes a harder line with match fixing vs. doping.

    Bookmakers (bet-at-home, for example), actively sponsor ATP and WTA tour events (as well as having relationships with fringe industries associated with the sport).

    In this context, a confidence-loss in tennis' betting markets might hurt both parties. My cynical side says that this is why they are so focused on the issue.

    Also, the really big cash-cows of the sport just don't need to resort to this kind of corruption, so sanctioning lower ranked offenders has relatively little PR fallout, and their guilt doesn't incriminate the top players by association (as doping cases might).

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    1. I agree. It's clear that the tennis authorities have been much more 'careful' regarding match-fixing.

      Here's a transcript about the match-fixing conversation.
      http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Betting-Scandal-the-full-transcript-of-Daniele-Bracciali%60s-Skype-conversations-here-articolo20797.html

      It's weird to see this kind of articles, considering how close the tennis journalism is. Another example: http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Should-Rafael-Nadal-stop-making-excuses-articolo20770.html

      I hope this trend continues.

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    2. And another: http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Feliciano-Lopez-Too-many-people-call-players-to-fix-matches-articolo20831.html.1

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  4. And Davydenko retires. A 33 year old man that endured his last years plagued with injuries, like a normal aging person in ELITE sport. His level dipped and felt he could not compete with fitter, younger players. It's normal though. From the 30's, everything begins to decay: fitness, reaction speed, hand-eye coordination even. Perhaps he wasn't clean in his prime, but he's definitely clean now. Hope THASP mentions Davydenko's retirement somehow while making a slight sarcastic comments to other 33 years old still on tour and rocking. I'd love to see the reaction.

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    3. @Unknown yeah because there's a rule that says you have to retire when you hit 30. How many players are currently on the tour over the age of 30? Let me help you. There are 27 players in the top 100 aged 30+ and another 13 who are 29. I guess those 13 better start planning for retirement. Are all those players over 30 doping? You would have us believe so. Someone should tell them to stop training and give up their livelihood when they hit 30. Otherwise they're defying the laws of nature.

      Oh and because Davydenko was winning stuff in his prime and now isn't therefore he was doping then but not now. LOL. You are a laugh a minute.

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    4. BTW in case math isn't your thing: that's 40% of players in the top 100 aged 29+. But you think they should all retire or else they're doping. Okeedokee.

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    5. Wow, 4 comments from you, Lopi. That's swell. I can't believe you're actually defending the ATP/ITF from doping allegations. Nice to see that ;)

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    6. And there have been several statements from anti-doping authorities and sports research institutions that estimate a 15%-40% people doping in sport. I suppose you're going to defend all players as long as you defend Federer. Damn, I should have compared Davydenko with Nadal, that way you'd be probably agreeing with me ;)

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    7. Four comments? No. I deleted two because I kept wanting to edit but can't here. Sorry to disappoint you. Once again, you have nothing to add except personal attacks. I'll ignore you from now on.

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    8. I do hope yo ignore me. Your comments in general add nothing to the discussion. What was your input here? That there are people over 29? That was great info, indeed. Very useful... For absolutely nothing. Because it does not directly contradict the amount of people doping in the top 100, it does not even directly support your zealot stance. You're just telling random stuff.

      Unless of course you have the same opinion as the incompetent ATP chairman, Chris Kermode (I shared the article above, I doubt you have read it with attention though. It does not have Federer in it), that PROFESSIONAL athletes playing in challengers/futures aren't supposed to make a living.

      If that's the case, then your arguments may have a little sense. But that's a disgusting stance. Obviously you've never played or even cared about tennis as a career. You're just enjoying your fantasies with Federer.

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    9. And 2 edits for a superficial post about players' age? Certainly basic arithmetic isn't your thing.

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    10. sorry to butt in but what is it with you Lopi with your obsessive defensiveness about fed? ALL "evidence" here of doping on the top players are merely circumstantial. there is absolutely 0 hard proof that would conclusively say nadal, nole have doped. but you take all the circumstantial evidence against them as such. and yet, when a 33-year old man is, in what some people here claim is playing in the age of doping, once again on the heels of the no.1 ranking, winning the most matches on tour, beating top 10 players (who are positively, undeniably, excruciatingly heavy dopers according to you) left and right , he somehow still doesn't invite suspicion or any mention in this Blog? Wawrinka wins 1 Major and he automatically becomes a suspect(because no one wins when their not doping right?). Haas enjoys a few months stint at high performance (his game isn't even that physical) and he's a 30-yr-old doper. but fed? nah, he's pure talent. you keep asking @unknown for evidence, but you have never, as with anyone else here, presented any hard proof of doping for the top players. what a joke.

      For the record, I, am sure nadal is taking something. nole may attribute his 2011 performance increase from the oxygen chamber (which by the way really works) but not absolutely sure if he ever took something. serena definitely has taken something. and have a lot of other opinions of other players. I also personally hope that fed isn't doping. that he isn't some chemical athlete himself, that he is indeed pure talent. and that whatever happens with him, i will eternally be addicted to his tennis game. but will i exclude him from all suspicion, ferociously defend him even when he IS ABSOLUTELY OUT OF THE NORM, perhaps even the only one of his kind? that's just stupid when all i see here are the same allegations for other players (That you never defend by the way). stop tagging everyone who expresses opinion on fed as boreman, you act like a kid. boreman was here when nadal was the main focus of the blog, and fed was still at his peak and is reasonably still leagues away from nadal's action. hate to break it to you, but it's a different ball game now. people should have as much freedom flagging fed for out-of-the-norm activities as much as you so lovingly do it with nadal and nole. This is not tennis(exceptfed)hasasteroidproblem. this just turns off serious people wanting to look into EVERYONE. i hate your bigotry and hypocrisy. this site will never grow into somethng other than a nadal hate/federer love blog with the likes of you around.

      and btw, kudos to you unknown. let's keep this site to what it should be: unbiased.

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    11. yeah when did I say Wawrinka doped? And I and many others here have provided evidence against Nadal, as I said Maybe you should read some more. Including the Curious Case of Rafel Nadal. I don't just defend Federer. As I said Murray and Del Potro were injured and their recovery times have been the norm, whereas Nadal is supposedly injured and comes back after 7 months to win everything in sight. Totally normal right? Now he's playing with appendicitis. Totally normal. Federer lost this year to an ageing Hewitt, Nishikori, Wawrinka, Chardy, Gulbis, Tsonga, Cilic in addition to Nadal and Djokovic. He isn't winning everything. He came very close to losing in the 2nd round in Shanghai, saving 5 match points. You and your alias "Unknown" have yet to come up with any evidence against Federer other than he's 33 years old and can still win a few tournaments and I have pointed out many other top players who have won well into their 30's as well as the fact that 40% of the ATP top 100 are 29+. Give me some other signs pointing to Federer doping or else shut up. Saying he's 33 and therefore is doping is no argument. Sorry.

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    13. "You and your alias "Unknown" " this is enough for me to treat you seriously. apparently, only one person in this damn site has this opinion. you're laughable

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    14. I really think thasp the creator of the blog should make a post addressing the situation. its getting too obvious that this is a fed fan page

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    15. Oh yes it's such a fed fan page that there are three posters right here saying Federer is doping. What a stupid thing to say. Apparently only you three are allowed an opinion and the one person saying the opposite is the one who is just a Fedfan. LOL.

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    16. when did i say federer was doping. in all my comments i make it clear that i dont think fed is doping because he looks honest in his interviews.but i dont like the fact the majority here suspect everyone for the dumbest reasons but on the rare accasion someone suspects federer everyone starts attacking them

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    17. My feeling is that Fed, despite his age, is playing clean and despite having a great season, he has done nothing extraordinary having benefited (as have others) from Murray's slow recovery from surgery and Nadal's… well, whatever it is going on with him right now…

      Not sure however that Fed has been clean throughout his entire career. One only has to look at his record through 2004/5/6 where he went 74 for 6; 81 for 4 & 92 for 5. I mean, come on, he won 92 matches in 2006. That's a lot of tennis. For comparison Nole was only 70 for 6 in his "miracle' year of 2011...

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    18. Well, it's nice to see that in this discussion I've got some backup even from people that don't share my opinion about Fed. That's really a step forward. Something Lopi could learn from. By the way, Lopi, no one is saying you can't have your own opinions. Just that you should avoid your obvious double standards while you try to criticize other people's opinions and have a little of respect when you speak with someone that doesn't agree with you. You remind me a little bit of the poster Tommy Hass.

      Regarding Nadal, he seemed to be somewhat clean this year. It reflects on his results this year: Not a single title defense. 1 slam (where it seemed he wasn't clean), 1 masters 1000 (where he won against an injured and unclean Nishikori), and 2 250's. That's way below his standards.

      He even says something related: http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Rafael-Nadal-admits-he-is-lacking-stamina-as-he-has-not-practiced-enough-for-Basel-articolo20861.html

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    20. @Unknown - don't kid yourself. I'm contributing to the debate not trying to support you and its ridiculous to compare Lopi to Tommy Hass.

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    21. Hey everyone, STOP TAKING THE BAIT! This is exactly what they want...to incite bickering and thereby discredit this site. We've seen it a million times before.

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    22. What bait? Being suspicious about Federer is bait? Jesus, you people are so childish.

      Northwest, I was precisely acknowleding your contribution EVEN though you were NOT agreeing with me. I made that pretty clear. Can't we please be a little less immature and talk about doping seriously without resorting to personal attacks?

      Tommy Hass is a ridiculous troll that embodies a laughable extreme. But Lopi and BDS hypocritical stance about Fed is no better. You're probably friends but hey, friends help to improve each other. You should talk to him.

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    23. @BDS, wait what? FYI, we are trying to improve this site by opening the eyes of people like lopi and obviously, you. I personally would hate trolls trying to discredit this site because Sen and THASP have done a great deal in expanding the consciousness of people on the state of doping in tennis. I've been here almost as long as when this site was conceived. i waited for updates on the drug scene, looked for evidence myself, happy for the developments this blog has provided with all the cloaking happening in pop-media. and yet, one thing always seemed to pop up in the community. when someone at the very least tries to voice out some (according to accusations to other players) legit suspicions on fed, everyone tags him as the troll boreman and aggressively attack his/her opinon. or flatout ignore them without any meaningful discussions. this has to change if we want to move forward.

      You, not us, are trying to discredit the site with your bigotry and double standards. you want the community to stay as it was before, a group originally fans of fed who hated nadal because of the obvious doping? then by all means continue with what you're doing. be the snobs and b@&% you continue to be. but if you want it to grow, to open up with all sorts of people that have suspicions for tennis in general, then be open to other opinions as well. you rant about nadal fans not seeing the truth, but when one visits to try and confirm their fears, all he sees are nadal hating, vigorous federer defending and sometimes out-of-this world allegations from the commenters. they leave because this to them becomes some "witch hunt" and not a legitimate anti-doping initiative. we are not consciously trying to get peopl to open their eyes on the issue. we actually deter the very people we want converted. for what? to have a continuous supply of "they're blinded and stupid" comments to feed you own ego?

      let our objectives be to expose doping, entertain and discuss about old AND new poster suspicions, and expanding our audience. we may have different opinions on some players, but that doesn't mean we drive them out because of it and neglect to see the bigger picture that we know that tennis does have a doping problem. and we're here to maturely discuss the signs and suspicions on anyone. WE ARE NOT BAITING ANYONE. WE ARE VOICING OUR OPINIONS AND DESPERATELY TRYING HAVE PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CONCERN IS LEGITIMATE AND FOR THE GOOD OF THE BLOG.

      if after this, this continuous, then i give up on the comments section. i guess i'll just be looking into Sens/THASPS updates only...

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    24. @Jericho20: And here you are attacking me with the very same things you accuse me of: assumptions and speculation. Take a look at my previous posts. I've long said that no player is above suspicion, and I've lauded longtime posters for presenting legitimate arguments supporting the possibility of Federer doping. I totally agree that there are an over-abundance of disgruntled Federer fans on this blog, and I want to see legitimate arguments against ALL players posted. But, when the same few posters come out with the same argument that Federer won a tournament at 30-whatever, so he must be doping, and then some first-time poster comes along to support the argument, posts a flurry of antagonistic remarks, then is never heard of again; this pattern occurs over and over again, and we see the same writing styles and use of the same catch-phrases amongst several of these so-called different posters...tell me, what is the logical conclusion? Go ahead and insult me; I think most people see your attacks for what they are.

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    25. Well, it's nice to talk to a wall.

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  5. The president of the Russian Tennis Federation has been fined $25K, and given a one year ban from the women's tour, following TV comments in which he referred to Venus and Serena as the "Williams brothers". The WTA fined him because the comments were "insulting and demeaning". In his comments, he praised Russian female players as prettier, which is pathetically misogynistic.

    I am in no way defending what he said, but to put this is in perspective, I don't recall Hingis being fined at all for calling Mauresmo "half a man".

    Moreover, Serena herself was only fined $2K for her infamous 2011 US open tirade against umpire Eva Asderaki ("you're the one who screwed me over last time", - she actually wasn't - "you're a hater", "you're just unattractive inside"), a fine that amounted to 0.1% percent of her earnings at that tournament.

    IIRC, Serena's 2009 fine for the protracted tirade against a court official (including threats of physical violence - "I'm going shove this f--king ball down your "f--king throat") was about 80K,with no ban.

    If the fines are about punishing an individual for insulting and demeaning comments that bring the sport into disrepute, I'm not sure the sanctions are in any way proportionate.

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    1. How about Sharapova's ass that looked like a tailless tiger? Didn't he see it? Probably one of these reverse polarized cretins.
      The head of a federation has to have a minimal amount of self respect and not act like a child with a slutty mouth.
      There are many situations where players threatened court officials with no sanctions whatsoever. It only seems to bother people when Serena is not banned.
      I wonder why the "unattractive inside" unsettles a "category of people" that much. Is it because it leaves a chink in the armor??? It seems they just realized they can be seen for what they are and not what they are made to ,and except others, to believe they are.
      Stay tune people and stay on the right side of history, the nineteen is coming...

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    2. It's one thing to make an insulting remark on court, in the heat of anger, quite another to make one in a public forum like a talk show, just out of the blue without any extenuating circumstances.

      Also an administrative official in charge of an entire national tennis program (and who is on the Olympic Committee!) has a much greater responsibility to be more mindful of the kinds of things he says in public. Tarpischev's remarks destroy public trust in the organization's impartiality and fair-mindedness. Non-hetero/trans Russian tennis players can't help but wonder whether they're being secretly discriminated against when the president of the tennis federation says things like that.

      Sure, an individual athlete has an obligation to uphold the rules of the sport, but he/she isn't responsible for others in the way that an administrative official is, so I can understand why they came down harder on Tarpischev. I don’t feel it’s disproportionate to punish him more than they did Serena.

      I do agree that Hingis should have been punished for her homophobic slur. She got away with a lot in her day, also people were more willing to overlook bigotry.

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    5. @ Tommy Hass Can somebody ban this imbecilic moron Tommy Hass? His immature, offensive, biggoted, foul mouth diatribes add nothing to the debate. I would suggest that his comments about gays and transsexuals are indicative of somebody who has issues with their own sexuality. They are completely unacceptable in the 21st Century, and grossly offensive to gay and non gay alike.

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    6. I second Cynic's call for a ban on Tommy Hass, a true bigot and hater.

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  6. I agree that the Russians comments were stupid, and that he should have known better. My point was that the stars are cash cows for the game and accordingly will never be sanctioned as aggressively as a relatively little known official.

    I would contend that the top stars like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Williams and Sharapova all have more capacity to damage the sport with their comments and actions than administrative individuals, who are largely anonymous to most tennis fans. I only singled Serena out because she has the history of controversial on-court behaviour.

    Ironically, Serena appeared in a MadTV sketch where the "joke" was that she had to play "bench -press champion" Amelie Mauresmo, who was represented by a hulking muscular, hairy-legged male actor....... I don't recall any WTA indignation about their biggest star taking part in that....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hxmMtsOrGg4#t=172

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    1. First, they couldn't use a female to represent a bench press champion. The issue is that players make bad comments about other players all the time without any consequences because it is seen as being part of the competition. Even coaches to some extent are allowed to do that. A head of a federation putting himself in that position is asking for trouble.
      Those who followed Tennis for a long time know that Serena historically has been subjected to constant abuse and racism from different public, reporters and officials alike. The French public has made it a habit of calling her and her sister, the "Williams Brothers". I even remember someone asking Serena at the end an interview to go take a shower.
      Serena has been through more unprovoked abuse than all the players combined throughout the history of the game. I can't blame her for being on the defensive.

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    2. "Those who followed Tennis for a long time know that Serena historically has been subjected to constant abuse and racism from different public, reporters and officials alike."

      Cry some more you degenerate turd.

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  7. Serena has described the Russian's comments as 'very insensitive and extremely sexist as well as racist at the same time. I thought they were in a way bullying."

    But she apparently thinks that her comedy sketch tennis match, where Amelie Mauresmo is portrayed by a hulking male actor who lurches around like a gorilla, was apparently just fine...............

    Such double standards........

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  8. Loved Chris Bradnam's comment on David Ferrer's relentless athleticism during his Eurosport commentary on the Vienna ATP final, describing Ferrer as a 'Duracell Bunny'. I don't think this blog could have put it better!

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    1. I was shocked that he lost that match. When Ferrer splits sets, he is pretty much invincible over the past years, unless the guy on the other side is Rafa or Nole.

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  9. Is any journalist going to challenge Serena about the blatant hypocrisy of going on TV and making fun of Mausresmo "being like a man", and then complaining about "insensitivity and sexism" when the shoe is on the other foot?......

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    1. When did Serena make fun of Mauresmo "being like a man". All that was in the sketch is that Mauresmo. One doesn't have to be a man to be a bench press champion. Serena knows that she has muscles as well and she could also be compared to a bench press champion. The only difference is that she has other women attributes

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  10. > Four comments? No. I deleted two because I kept wanting to edit but can't here.

    Indeed. Has THASP ever heard of WordPress/vBulletin/Discourse? When was the last time Google improved Blogger? 2007? Hosting this blog on Blogger makes it look incredibly old and fringe. If you want people to take this site seriously, it's time to switch over to something modern, with a more user friendly commenting system.

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  11. If the Williams sisters were European or Chinese would the touchy-sensitive WTA have reacted in such a knee-jerk manner? Think about it. What happened when Davenport referred to Mauresmo as 'a man' and when Hingis called her a 'half man'.

    This is nothing but race-based cant and condescension, very ironically accentuated by the sort of remarks typified by those of Red Eric above. He knows not what he speaks.

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  12. Who cares? Making such a big fuss about something that is unimportant. It's a shame the media couldn't make as big a deal as Serena hiding from the drug testers or threatening the line judge.

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  13. eurosport:

    Tennis - Williams tests injured knee by doing the splits

    Tennis - Ailing Nadal eases into Swiss Indoors second round

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    2. Like clockwork, lol.

      Maybe Nadal's "abdominal injury" in late 2009 (used as an excuse for his embarassing loss at the hands of Del Potro at the USO and his abysmal showing at the WTF) was early signs of his 2014 "appendicitis". :P

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  14. Lmao Serena lost 6-2 6-0 to Halep! Wonder what "injury" she has this time then?

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    1. Meanwhile, Nadal's appendicits is looking good, as he just won 6-1 6-1 to reach the Basel QF. Imagine if he were healthy for a change!!! lol...

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  15. I've been a long time lurker on this blog. The reason I've now decided to post is because I want to echo what has been said before. This blog has done alot in opening people's eyes about the existing doping problem in tennis, and also in showing how easy it is to use doping. It does however suffer from a credibility problem, because alot of posters have both a negative bias towards Nadal and a positive bias towards Federer.

    I am a tennisfan. As a fan, the current situation with doping use is painful to watch. As long as the situation remains as it is (easy to dope, almost impossible to get caught, and even if you got caught, penalties are unlikely or secret) NO PLAYER is above suspicion. This is what we, the concerned fans, need to proclaim.

    Please try to refrain from trolling, personal attacks and try to be aware of your own bias. Yes, even your favourite might be doping. While this should be the end of his/her career, it is not the end of tennis. Instead of bickering over our faves, we should focus on our common passion: tennis

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  17. Boremen, salespeople back in force.
    Time to either put some order into this or slowly start closing this down.
    I believe the authorities had ample time to look at the evidence presented here and are taking some steps.
    I do of course hope our big champion Nadal will ve the first to be exposed but...
    As they say, it's all in God's hands.

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