Sunday, December 27, 2015

How it's done

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  1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRPxmTuxoI

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    1. Interesting but seemed "incomplete". And lacked reliable sources. Gave the impression of "gossip" rather than journalistic work.

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    2. After looking at some parts again, I must say it started off well, but it felt like they ran out of time/resources in the end. Hard to put a finger on it, but something did not feel right, which makes me question the credibility. It ended with too many questions left. It needed an interview with an authority.

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    3. "reliable sources?" You are talking drug dealers. How exactly would you expect a "reliable source" to come forward? You want a board certified doctor to turn in his license so he can be a "reliable source." Any legitimate doctor would be barred from discussion any medical treatments provided to legitimate patients. So, by definition, anyone who can come forward is some type of criminal.

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    4. In any case, there are some undisputed facts:
      1) Payton Manning used Dr. Guyer at some point in time. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/12/27/dale-guyer-chimes-in-with-a-peyton-manning-statement-too/)
      2) Dr. Guyer runs the "Guyer Institute." It is an "anti-aging" institute. (guyerinstitute.com). It says "my goal is to maximize your internal biochemistry to help you live longer and move vibrantly."
      3) Mrs. Manning (Peyton's wife) admitted to receiving some prescription drugs from Guyer. (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/12/27/10669870/peyton-manning-wife-prescription-hgh-guyer-institute).
      4) Peyton Manning says his treatments were "nutrient therapy, oxygen therapy and other treatments that are holistic in nature." (See above article).
      5) Charles Sly performed work at the Guyer Institute (apparantly unpaid) https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/681182303725289473/photo/1

      You can draw whatever conclusions you want from the above "reliable sources."

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    5. I think that they need to get hold of a list of blood test results and look at the values of the named athletes. Maybe the values would be within limits, but still very high. A doctor could give his opinions of the values, and compare them to "normal" athletes. (If they still exist). And that could lead into a discussion on why the limits are so high, why is no one caught, and so on. As it is now, there is just too much talk, and not enough evidence.

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  3. In the video below, Brandon Ayanbadejo is interviewed and tries to explain what he was doing .. When confronted by the risk of non-medically trained individuals administering IVs, he states that they would "hire a firefighter who was medically trained to supervise" lol. He states that his brother tested positive for a banned substance, and had to sue the supplement company. So whats he advocating? Inject supplements. Crazy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PlvvsPmUJ0

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    1. Re: the IV video.

      It worries me because it seems to normalize the culture of scientifically-enhancing athletes with IV medications, in hotel rooms, and without medical supervision.

      The issue about the infusion volume though (which has generated attention on-line), is worth revisiting.

      Although WADA and USADA view an intravenous infusion >50mls in a 6 hr period as a prohibited method, it doesn't appear that the NFL have a similar policy, and they are not officially signatories of the WADA code (though WADA have been advising them about anti-doping).

      WADA (Section M2 page 5).
      https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-2016-prohibited-list-en.pdf

      NFL.
      https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Player%20Planner/2014%20NFL%20List%20of%20Prohibited%20Substances.pdf

      I am not making excuses for the NFL, an organization that banned HGH and then didn't test for it for years, just getting my head around the facts.

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    2. These IV supplements are routinely available already: http://performanceiv.com/therapies/

      They appear to be various B vitamins and glutathione.

      Most of the peptides used by athletes are administered by injection. These are easily available on the internet and sold "for research purposes only." (see http://www.ceretropic.com/peptides/ and http://usmadepeptides.com/).

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    3. It appears that almost all of the IV therapies are administered by a doctor or nurse in a medical facility. You can search for "hangover doctors" that will come to your home to administer an IV, but issuing the IV to the patient to administer seems to be very rare.

      There are doctors who will set you up with Propofol in your hotel room. (http://www.rejoovia.com/), so it seems like you can find a doctor to do whatever you want -- but all the medication is actually administered by the doctor/nurse, not dropped off with the patient to self-administer.

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  4. "Anti-Doping Switzerland has suspended its relationship with the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF), indicating that it no longer considers it a reliable partner in the fight against doping."

    Wow

    http://www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com/anti-doping-switzerland-suspends-work-with-iaaf/

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    1. Wish more entities could do that.

      But after this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIl5RxhLZ5U
      http://news.nike.com/press-release/news/nike-statement-on-lance-armstrong

      I no longer deem any public statement as important. Maybe just entities trying to wash off their hands?

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