Friday, September 16, 2016

A bit more insular

From the New York Times:

Stuart Miller, director of the International Tennis Federation’s antidoping program, approved Ms. Mattek-Sands’s applications for exemptions. He said that of the hundreds of applications he had approved in his 10-year tenure at the federation, hers were the only ones overruled by WADA.

Dr. Rogol said DHEA, a precursor of testosterone, should never be approved for use by a female athlete.
“It’s going to be turned, likely, into relatively small doses of testosterone, which of course for a woman, even small doses are performance enhancing,” Dr. Rogol said. “Women’s testosterone levels are normally perhaps a tenth of men’s, so if you boost them up to a fifth or a fourth of men’s, there likely will be an advantage.”

Dr. Rogol called the Court of Arbitration’s expert “spot on” in his reasons for ultimately ruling against Ms. Mattek-Sands.

“I think it tells you that tennis is a little bit more insular,” he said of the federation’s initial approval.

108 comments:

  1. Not specifically on the post above, but we are approaching the point of farce. A banned Polish weightlifter who finished 9th at the 2012 London Olympics is upgraded to bronze after the 6 competitors ahead of him returned positive results on retested samples. The Polish lifter is himself currently serving a doping violation.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/37371735

    So who is going to credibly maintain that tennis is an exception and a clean sport?

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    1. That is a good observation. There were 2 other Polish weightlifters that were desqualified this during this olympics. I read some comments from training squad and other officials and what they were saying was that this sport will not exist without drugs and cheating. What actually does matter is not to get caught on juicing.

      So the medalists are often the guys who were banned at some point but were lucky enough to outsmart the tests shomehow.

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  2. If you could make $10M a year, would you swap a miserable life as an engineer making a measly $100K? Probably. Lets say, drugs cost $10K a year, give you a 20% performance boost, all the guys in the top 10 are using them and the risk of getting caught is zero because the ITF only spends $1.5M a year on testing 2000 players. Would you take drugs? Probably.

    The hypothetical argument for taking drugs is simple. It only takes 10 guys to cheat for the whole tour to follow. Just a thought experiment.

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  3. Slightly off topic, but things are hotting up for Brad Wiggins in the FB leak story.

    The self-styled people's twat claimed to have never recieved injections. But the FB leaks say otherwise:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3793476/Sir-Bradley-Wiggins-questions-answer-disgraced-doctor-Geert-Leinders-following-steroid-jabs-leaks.html

    'Wiggins declined to answer questions'.

    Why oh why can't Serena et al be put under the same scrutiny?

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    2. To be honest if the Fancy bears leaks stopped at the Williams sisters there'd be no scrutiny of the leaked data - just blame the Russian's for sour grapes kinda reasoning.
      Now leaks have gone beyond both william's sisters, the likes of Rothenberg can be a journalist. but i have to note he wasn't as quick to question the various holes in Serena and Venus's TUE's.
      So "Why oh why can't Serena et al be put under the same scrutiny?" because both are socially untouchable. I seen within a day of the Williams details being made public, even the most vocal antidoping advocates were apologist for both of them.

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    3. Oh, the Williams sisters can be insulted, despised, and humiliated their whole lives but somehow, they become socially untouchable when there is no legitimate arguments against them??? Which holes are you referring to so that we can all analyze.

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    4. By who Eric? Fans of other players yes, but not the media. They're both media darlings, especially Serena who can do no wrong in their eyes. Hence why her threatening the line judge, abusing Asderaki in the U.S. Open final and panic room incident have been brushed under the carpet.

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    5. Media darlings??? So being fined more than 80,0000 the heaviest fine ever brought against a tennis player is not enough? Her own countrymen being against her during the match was not enough? The line judge being paid off to bring her down because of her refusing to play Indian Wells wasn't enough? Umpires making her lose on purpose? Her being vilified by the media and commentators while they refused to comment on whether there was a foot fault or whether the rule was in fact reinforced was not enough? The French open abuse , Williams brothers, abuses in her own country, them being insulted as playing like men, etc.
      My question is how long have you been paying attention to the Williams sisters and do you want the media to enforce gossip like the panic room incident??? what proof do they really have? The older players men and women alike have always hated her till their old bones can't afford it anymore. What exactly do you want the media to do? As long as whatever you do follows the rules, that is all that matters. There was a certain Richard who is Australian and who explained in details the likely scenario related to the panic room incident. What else do you want?

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    6. You need to stop. You are making me feel sorry for you.

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    7. I already stopped... in case you didn't notice it.

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    8. The Guiness Book of Records is interested in you (though no one else is). You take Pathetic Fan Adoration to unprecedented levels.

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    9. The attention of the Guinness book of Records is prevalent to that of anyone else.

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    10. If an athlete takes a banned substance, then gets a retroactive TUE for said banned substance. Is this not abuse of the TUE and doping regulations?
      This could be anyone, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djovokic, Sharapova, etc...but in this instance (and for now) its revealed those athletes are Serena and Venus Williams. Facts are what they are regardless of preference or bias. But the media will not criticize either william sister. You only have to compare the media reaction of the Wiliams TUE's to BMS's and see this.

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    11. When it comes to the discussion of drugs in Tennis, Serena Williams is virtually untouchable. Was the panic room incident ever followed up by the press? What about her strange dizzy spell at Wimbledon 2014? And did anyone ever find the name of the phantom restaurant where she "injured" her foot?

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    12. @ G Murph,
      First, you guys still haven't shown me where you're getting your information from and based on your reasoning, I just can't trust you because you don't seem impartial. If you have flu symptoms for example that include fatigue, headache, cough, nasal congestion, aching muscles, and you have the possibility to take medicine and get a retroactive TUE for it bases on proper justification, why wouldn't you do so? If you have flu and you are about to play a final, why would you submit a request for TUE that can be granted after the final unless you want to be ready to play the final after the final??? The fact that you are comparing Serena with Bethanie Mattek-Sand shows how disingenuous you are. I won't go into the details but you can read about her request for banned drugs and for testosterone that have been rejected and that is for an adrenal insufficiency which in my mind is a permanent condition. Comparing someone with 71 titles total and 22 slams who requested a flu medicine before a final of a completion but doesn't a propensity to do so to a female who wants to use testosterone all year long to be able to perform is borderline ridiculous. You want the media to take on that responsibility?

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    13. @UntitledK9,

      you guys always tend to repeat the same thing. Regarding the panic room incident, the so called dizzy spell, What do you want the press to talk about? The restaurant issue, She had cuts on her feet. Unless what you are suggesting is that doping cuts her feet, I really don't know what you are mentioning it. Compare to Federer who was caught involved in a match fixing discussion, I don't see you wondering why the media wasn't talking about it more and there was an instance where Federer was cursing at the umpire and the cameraman cut if off but do you know how many times Serena outburst was shown on TV??? And you think Serena is the one protected?

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    14. And why shouldn't the media conversation on TUE's retroactive or otherwise encompass the practice as a whole.
      The regulations are clear on taking banned substances in and out of competition...in Serenas case she was in violation of these until she got retrospective TUE. Besides Prednisone for just the flu? are you serious, its a dangerous drug to prescribe to someone with flu symptoms.

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    15. Did Serena create the retroactive rule? When did she apply for the TUE? I googled Prednisone and some people who are not athletes said their doctors prescribed them that for their flu. It seems that it is the long term usage that is detrimental to the health of a patient. Stop over exaggerating everything just to make a point. Serena was obviously sick that tournament.

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    16. When we are talking about dopers, we talk about the likes of Sharapova who uses meldonium on a regular basis and refuses to stop using it even after she was warned not to do it. First nobody knows if she needs to use it and second she wouldn't stop even after repeated warnings. Saying that Serena should have been prescribed this instead this while regular folks are prescribed the same thing shouldn't be the focus of our discussion.

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    17. Mmm no, but there are questions to be answered on her TUE's.
      The flu has to get pretty serious before a steriod treatment is needed, for example developing a secondary complication such as a chest infection, breathing difficulties etc. Suffice to say people who have a prolonged period of flu turning to infection will be in no shape to do things like play in a competitive game of Tennis.
      i wondered why Serena was acting up for the cameras that year, symptoms that completely disappeared come Wimbledon. Wow that Prendisone worked a miracle.

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    18. So now she was acting up for the camera??? May be Federer learned from her when he was playing a goalkeeper in front of the Wimbledon audience. I do believe there are 2 to 3 weeks between the french Open and Wimbledon and wouldn't that suffice to get rid of the flu based on your knowledge of flu? How severe your breathing difficulties have to be before you become impaired as a high level athlete playing for a slam. If Serena taking up to 4 weeks to recover from flu is miraculous, what would you say about Federer who recovered overnight from a back injury that made him pull out of the final of WTF a few days earlier?

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    19. How severe would the flu be to get last minute treatment and which you'll need a TUE for later?
      I wonder if your reasoning would change drastically if it were Federer with the TUE's and not Serena.

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    20. The way I see it is that you take the most powerful medicine to allow you to play the final. It can't be a treatement that will take few days. You only have the final to play. When you have flu, in additin to other sysmptoms, you are drained of your energy. Then you play in a top competition and it drains you even further. So you choose something powerful to overcome that. Who the hell is Safarova anyway?

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    21. For Serena to need to dope for?

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    22. She went all the way to the finals playing with the flu and not taking prednisone. It doesn't seem like doping was her main purpose when she took it for the final

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  4. Michelle Carter's retroactive application for a TUE was rejected.
    She took banned substances and didn't get a TUE.
    No one is talking about this.

    The TUE form for Rio is not dated nor signed.

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  5. Michelle Carter's retroactive application for a TUE was rejected.
    She took banned substances and didn't get a TUE.
    No one is talking about this.

    The TUE form for Rio is not dated nor signed.

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    1. I checked out the TUEs and they appear to be as you said. It looks pretty odd.

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    2. She won gold. Correct? But she didn't test positive even though she took a banned substance and had no TUE? 0_0

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  6. "TUE system can be abused by athletes - Dr Richard McLaren"
    No kidding......

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/37382825

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  7. I remember reading Federer got cortisone shots in 2013 because of his bad back. I think you need a TUE for that, but I'm not sure. He was visibly hindered and it was a lost season for him. I think he got cortisone shots again after he withdrew from the WTF in London against Novak and before the Swiss won the the Davis Cup against France.

    But it is all propaganda from Russia. TUE's are well known. No russian, or just one half-Armenian guy on the list, no Chinese...

    The case of Mattek-Sands though is blatant doping, if you asked me. I wonder if USADA will investigate in that matter. Actually the department of justice need to investigate. That is a reasonable suspicion right there.

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    1. I'm pretty sure cortisone injections aren't banned out of competition but not sure about in competition. Can't find it on the banned list. I search cortisone and hydrocortisone. I guess if it's not on the list then it's allowed in competition as well.

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    2. hummm??!!? Missier Federer??? Am I the only one to think that his fans didn't forget about it?

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    3. https://www.shoulderdoc.co.uk/article/419

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    4. @Lopi. Cortisone is a glucocorticoid. As such it is banned in-competition, but permitted OOC.

      http://list.wada-ama.org/prohibited-in-competition/prohibited-substances/

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    5. Serena Williams took banned substances to play during the clay season and at the French Open.


      What if player A takes a banned substance before a match. He/she contacts ITF, WADA etc.. Completly legal, within the rules. Now he/she can play the grand slam final.

      Player B though gets injured during that match and loses, because he/she can't take something illegal and because there is no doctor so fast to approve.

      In other words player B got injured too late.


      That shouldn't be allowed. Either take something legal or rest.

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    6. @LopiSeptember 17, 2016 at 11:28 AM

      Wawrinka was angry because he couldn't win against an injured Federer. Whole Swiss team (Lühti) knew, Federer was in not a good shape with his back before the match and wouldn't have a single chance facing Djokovic in the final. That is why they got into a fight, involving Mirka.... because Federer took a final away from Stan.

      Stan stormed into Federer's locker room and insulted him. After that Federer literally took one for the team and told ATP the same night he is out, just to start treatment before Davis Cup.

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    7. Cortico Cortico
      As long as it is within the rules, i don't know what's the big fuss about. She didn't do that to complete the calendar year so I wouldn't think she was faking her injuries to gain any specific advantage.

      Cortico Cortico

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    8. If the injury is legitimate, why not? The rules were not designed by or for Serena. 71 titles and 22 slams, I rest my case.

      Cortico Cortico

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    9. I posted this in a previous post:
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      Tennis players have openly discussed taking substances that would have required a TUE. Agassi use of cortisone shots towards the back end of his career has been documented and Andy Murray has also spoken of taking cortisone for his back multiple times:

      http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=70742
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2152619/French-Open-2012-Andy-Murray-beats-Jarkko-Nieminen-injury-scare.html

      Too many others have spoken about having to play with anti-inflammatory drugs, some of which would have required a TUE.
      […]

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    10. As I said, it seems common place. As for Federer, I remember reading a journalist asking him during the 2014 DC final press conference if he’d had any cortisone injections during the week but he didn’t answer yes or no, then in 2015 Federer said that didn’t have any injections after all. Seems it was just anti-inflammatories which he’s mentioned in the past:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/sports/tennis/roger-federer-seeks-new-experiences-to-sustain-his-career.html

      He and Stan Wawrinka won on the road against the French in Lille on indoor clay with a record crowd of more than 27,000 in attendance. Federer said he was happy to have avoided his first painkilling injection.

      “I was just praying I didn’t have to take it, and in the end I didn’t, which I was very relieved about,” he said. “I never had to take a shot in my life.”
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      Strange. But as we’ve seen with Serena who said that she doesn’t like taking anything and that statement now proving to be false, I don’t think we can take what any of these players say at 100% face value:

      http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/14945736/in-wake-maria-sharapova-news-serena-williams-reveals-take-supplements

      As questions continue over the news of Maria Sharapova testing positive for the recently banned drug meldonium, Serena Williams said that she doesn't take supplements herself.

      "I don't. I'm terrified, to be honest. It would just be a really bad situation if that was me," Williams said Thursday afternoon.

      "Plus, my sister [Venus] went through a lot of illnesses and with her going through that, she was able to introduce me into a really vegan and raw, kind of really vegetable, whole raw world that I really enjoyed. And I was able to see a lot of benefits in my game and my body in general from that.

      "Just even from a health perspective, I've never been a big fan of taking anything."
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      World class athletes know exactly what they need to do to get ahead. I hope Fancy Bears turns their attention to male tennis players (especially all the top players), surely they have some data that they’ll like to share?

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    11. May be you have difficulties understanding. What she is talking about is taking supplements for a long duration of time like something you would do for heart condition, ADHD, etc some long term health concerns. She was on medication when she had pulmonary embolism, yes or no.

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    12. You guys are very naive and I might think Federer has reached deity status for some of his fans.
      Breaking news:
      http://www.24heures.ch/sports/actu/Federer-Si-j-avais-pris-de-la-cortisone-je-ne-vous-le-dirais-pas/story/10479877

      Federer: «Si j'avais pris de la cortisone, je ne vous le dirais pas»

      In other words, if I took cortisone, I wouldn't tell you. Wasn't the same honest federer involved in match fixing incident?

      Cortico Cortico

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    13. Like I said, it was from the Davis Cup pre-final press conference:

      http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=104830

      Q. Roger, can you tell us when you actually decided you could play, and what kind of treatment have you had the last few days? Specifically, have you had a cortisone shot in your back or anything like that?
      ROGER FEDERER: If I did, I would never tell you, number one, but thanks for asking
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      You must have missed where I said that was a strange response. Federer, Serena Williams and other players can say what they want their fans to hear, doesn't mean they're telling the truth, case in point Serena above.

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    14. I don't see what Serena said that contradict what she does. you said she was lying and I said she was not. She doesn't like being on pills. It doesn't mean she wouldn't take pills if it was required as when she is injured. I still don't see where she is lying

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    15. Why would a player divulge information that could be useful to their competition? If Federer said yeah I had a shot then his opponents would know he was having back trouble still. Why tell them that before a tie? Maybe after he would. Was he asked after the tie if he had had a shot?

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    16. So the media knew he was having back trouble but his opponents don't know?

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    17. Also cortico cortico is banned in competition and that is why he wouldn't be honest about it. He revealing it would have been an admission to doping violation unless he requested a TUE. You just don't get better overnight from a back issue just by training and nobody would mention cortico cortico if anti-inflammatory drugs were enough to deal with the pain overnight.

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    18. He wasn't in competition between the WTF and the Davis Cup tie. Therefore he could have taken cortisone. But he may have needed a TUE anyway because it would have still been in his system for the Dvid Cup tie. I still don't see why he'd have to tell the media this. The media wouldn't know his back was still bad unless he told them. And he didn't. Why are we even talking about this? Has his name been revealed by the FB?

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    19. http://www.24heures.ch/sports/actu/Federer-Si-j-avais-pris-de-la-cortisone-je-ne-vous-le-dirais-pas/story/10479877
      If youu could understand french, it would be better but this is what was said in summary. Everyone knew about federer's back injury before the David Cup finals. his match against monfils was scheduled for Friday. On Monday of that week, federer who has been injured a while before that day felt negative (pessimistic) about his back issues. On Thursday morning, Missier Federer made incredible progress compare to Wednesday evening training session. He told journalists that he was happy to be able to play and that he would see if he could be ready 100% against Monfils the following day. The journalists recognizing the strangely miraculous recovery of Missier Federer wanted to know if he had used cortico cortico to recover so fast since it seems obvious that if a condition has been bothering you for a while and you tried all conventional methods and failed, you wouldn't be able to recover overnight without other means. To that question, he said he wouldn't tell them even if he took it.

      Cortico Cortico

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    20. Also, he withdrew from the WTF final against Djokovic because of his back.
      His name wouldn't be on the FB list because they got hold of the files of those who participated to the 2016 Olympics.

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    21. @Lopi

      "Was he asked after the tie if he had had a shot?"

      He was asked in 2015 and it sounds like he didn't:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/sports/tennis/roger-federer-seeks-new-experiences-to-sustain-his-career.html

      He and Stan Wawrinka won on the road against the French in Lille on indoor clay with a record crowd of more than 27,000 in attendance. Federer said he was happy to have avoided his first painkilling injection.

      “I was just praying I didn’t have to take it, and in the end I didn’t, which I was very relieved about,” he said. “I never had to take a shot in my life.”
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      Anyway, getting Cortisone injections for back injuries is something that's done by others in Tennis.

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    22. Yeah I believe him, It took him about a year to figure that one out.

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    23. More like 3 months. He was asked in February. Clarey followed up on his initial question when he had the opportunity. Federer's response at the time read like he hadn't made the decision to get a shot hence the answer then…

      And when asked afterwards Federer said he didn't have to get any injections at that time, but what if he had to?

      The ITF says on their website that "An application for a new TUE (or renewal of an existing TUE) should be submitted at least 30 days in advance of the first date on which use of the substance is required."

      There was a 5 day gap between the WTF and start the Davis Cup final, so if his doctor had suggested that a cortisone injection was absolutely necessary, I'm guessing Stuart Miller would have just signed off on a retroactive TUE (just as he signed off some of Serena's TUEs, month(s) after it was taken).

      Just a hypothetical.

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    24. How can Federer's situation be seen as out of competition when the actual competition was supposed to only last 3 days?

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  8. From Rive:
    More on why athletes might want to take cortisone - weight loss and power gains.

    https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/771635353748779008

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    1. Is that why someone is so skinny but yet so powerful???

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    2. It could explain Serena's fatty body and the very fast transition within a few weeks to an athletic body. Just Magic...

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    3. Federer and Djokovic unbreakable skinny bodies....
      Does Serena look skinny to you?

      Cortico Cortico.

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    4. Of course the fat one dopes.

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  9. We're seeing a better discussion in the press.

    http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7894350

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    2. TBH, I stopped reading at "Crucially, there isn’t really a victim."

      There is always a victim.

      In real terms, it's the clean athlete who is deprived of the benefits that accompany success (financial and otherwise). One step removed, it's the fans (who pay all the bills - directly or indirectly), and are being fed a lie.

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    3. I agree. Its just atleast there is an admission in the mainstream press that this could be a widespread problem. But as you say, the victim is definitely the young 18 year old player who quits at 21 because he chose to stay clean. The victim is also the 18 year old who chose to take drugs without knowing the full consequences and suffers from the health effects. And we as fans are duped as well.

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  10. Sen, if you have the time perhaps you can update this as well:

    http://tennishasasteroidproblem.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/serena-williams.html

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  11. Jaksche spoke about his time racing and the use of Triamcinolone acetonide.

    “It was always the same procedure [to get the drug]. You would apply for a TUE, telling WADA that you had hay fever. Your team doctor would tell them you were having certain problems like [watering] eyes, blah blah blah. You would get 50 mg injections before the Tour. It was an old and traditional way of doping.

    “WADA would never really say, ‘why didn’t you apply last year for it?’ That’s important, because at the same time each year you should have the same problem. Plus or minus two weeks, nature should have the same pollen flying. Yet they would never ask that.

    “So you would get your cortisone injection in order to be competitive at the Tour or to lose weight or whatever the motive was there.”

    Asked what the benefits were, Jaksche said that there were clear boosts.

    “The effect was extreme. Cortisone reduces inflammation in your body, number one. It is also a little bit pushy as it is a hormone. So it causes a certain hormone rush.

    “On one hand you are at [race] weight and you are more willing to perform, and then on the other hand it is a strong pain killer and an inflammation killer. So your recovery is shorter and the pain you are going through is less.

    “It makes you very skinny. It burns fat. If you do it at the beginning of the Tour, you are going to lose another one to two kilos in the first week. You are going to suffer less. You are going to be less tired as your recuperation is faster because of the anti-inflammatory effects. It is the old school of doping.”

    More here.

    http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/

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    1. Excellent piece. Incredible that recent events haven't had much more of an impact. Your find fits perfectly with the notion that cycling still has problems, with some harborimg suspicions about times and performances that have not slowed as dramatically as expected post Armstrong.

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    2. Yes, and it appears that cortisone would be beneficial in other sports too eg tennis. If you can lose weight, cross the pain barrier, get more power gains, you'll outlast others in the 5th st/

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  12. "Doping sends poison seeping out of bodies and coursing through sport"

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/sep/18/doping-poison-olympic-games-sport

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  13. Blog favorite B-M-S continuing to brazenly tweet as if nothing's happened, and the world hasn't been told that she played (and won) with a TUE for anabolic steroids which was judged bogus by WADA/CAS

    https://twitter.com/bmattek

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  14. Rafa takes betamethasone and corticotropin / tetracosactide, according to Fancy Bears.

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    1. Betamethasone is a cortico-steroid like Prednisolone (Serena, Venus), traimacinolone (Wiggins).

      Corticotropin and tetracosactide (ACTH) seems to be a popular PED but gain effects are disputed.

      I'm not a medic but any medics on here confirm this?

      "Many drugs and supplements are marketed to improve
      exercise duration or physical strength, to shorten recovery time
      from exertion, to reduce fat, or in other ways to improve
      athletic performance (1–3,10–13). These substances include
      anabolic-androgenic steroids and the more than 30 natural and
      synthetic derivatives including tetrahydrogestrinone (THG).
      Androstenedione, commonly referred to as “andro,” and dehydroepiandrosterone
      (DHEA) are available in oral form and are
      sold as nutritional supplements. Stimulants include amphetamines,
      cocaine, dexadrine, ephedra, ritalin, beta-2 agonists,
      and others (1–3,10–13). Peptide hormones and analogues,
      such as recombinant erythropoietin (EPO), are used as a
      pharmacologic alternative to “blood doping” or autotransfusion
      (1–3,10–13). Human growth hormone (hCG), chorionic gonadotropin,
      pituitary and synthetic gonadotropins (LH), and
      corticotropins (ACTH, tetracosactide) also are used because
      they are believed to improve athletic performance (1–3,10–13)."

      Source:
      https://auth.cardiosource.org/EasyConnect/Integration/Post.aspx
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7617817
      http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=-1402273747

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  15. Rafa takes betamethasone and corticotropin / tetracosactide, according to Fancy Bears.

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  17. Is that all he takes? I'm surprised he didn't have a laundry list of substances.

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  18. Nadal (March 2016): "I am a completely clean guy. I have never had the temptation of doing something wrong. When I get injury, I get injury. I never take nothing to be back quicker."

    http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/14942201/rafael-nadal-denies-doping-new-allegations-arise-former-french-sports-secretary

    Saying exactly what he wants his supporters to hear. Obviously this has now been proven to be a lie.

    http://fancybear.net/pages/4.html

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    1. Both of Nadal's TUEs are backdated. When will the press pick up that a majority of the TUEs are retrospective.

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  19. well, he wasn't really lying because he got TUEs. The WADA approved doping program is alive and well. You can't say Nadal did something wrong if his doping was sanctioned by the very agency sworn to keep sport clean. Sad, but true.

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    1. Seems so. It's all a form of legalized cheating. And considering there's the whole scenario of where an athlete can't take certain drugs in or out of competition, it seems like a broken system to me.

      Maybe the whole concept of TUEs should be removed.

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    2. I think it should. I think if you have to take a banned substance to compete then you shouldn't be competing. End of story.

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    3. Sen has summarized well:

      "We must now assume that when an athlete says they've never taken a banned substance that they aren't including their TUEs in that statement."
      https://twitter.com/Tehaspe/status/777893174236749828

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  20. Lets be realistic here.... this WADA hack should now give us enough information to assume that a large number of top athletes across a wide range of sports are taking banned drugs under the guise of TUE.

    When you see the top tennis players playing 5 hours in the slams and then coming back 2 days later as fresh as a daisy you now know HOW they do it.

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  21. You have to admire Fancy Bears style. Release a list of Nobodies and right in the middle Mo Farah and Nadal...I'd say their not releasing all the TUE's info either. They'll dump that information out at some stage.

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    1. That made me laugh somewhat too. After the third batch I was concenred that this would become a mere journeyman hunt... But the eyes lit up seeing Senor Badknees on the list!!!

      I'll give you evens on Bolt being named. He had a fair few injuries last year, and still won multiple WC golds, didn't he?

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    2. I can't wait to see what Djokovic is taking. Unless his pod is enough for him. And the lack of gluten inn his diet. I highly doubt it.

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  22. The TUE was active after he had announced his withdrawal from the Olympics and one week before he announced he was withdrawing from the US Open due to tendonitis in his knee.

    Cosyntropin is not indicated for tendonitis and a Pubmed search of tendonitis + either Cosyntrop(h)in or Tetracosactide yields nothing. Perhaps an MD was prescribing off-label based on the theory that the agent causes a surge of glucocorticoid adrenal hormone release, and that this could have desirable anti-inflammatory properties. I still think this is odd in the context of zero supporting literature. It also stimulates the release of anabolic hormones. The once off application for a TUE would be atypical if it were being used for nefarious purposes, but nothing would surprise me when it comes to modern pro-athletes.

    http://www.valeopharma.com/Synacthen_Depot_PM_E_19JN2015.pdf

    The medical indications (apart from the commonest - its use in a diagnostic test for adrenal insufficiency) include the following (and it is not a common/standard therapy for any of the common ones)
    Collagen Diseases: Acute rheumatic fever; rheumatoid arthritis; lupus erythematosus; periarteritis nodosa, psoriatic arthritis; scleroderma; rheumatoid spondylitis; Still's disease.
    Dermatologic Diseases: Exfoliative dermatitis; dermatomyositis; pemphigus.
    Endocrine Diseases: Panhypopituitarism.
    Eye Diseases: Choroiditis; conjunctivitis; iritis; keratitis; optic neuritis; sympathetic ophthalmia; uveitis.
    Hemolytic Diseases: Acquired hemolytic jaundice.
    Other Diseases: Nephrotic syndrome; ulcerative colitis; Bell's palsy; acute exacerbations of multiple sclerosis, and as adjuvant treatment in cases of acute gout

    It has also been used in a neurologic condition called "Infantile spasms". I doubt Nadal has this, although he does do a lot of bizarre picking at his underwear :razz:

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  23. Nadal on TUEs: "When one asks for a permit & it is given, it ceases to be something prohibited. Period."
    https://twitter.com/christophclarey/status/777942719209443328

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    1. So he takes a prohibited substance and then hopes he'll get the TUE? Is that how it works? When did it cease being something prohibited? When he took it or when Stuart Miller signed the TUE?

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  24. It will be fascinating to see if Senor Badknees pursues his 'legal action' vs. Roselyne Bachelot after this unexpected turn of events.

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  25. Apparently, Rafa has stated that the TUE was for his knee condition.
    https://twitter.com/christophclarey/status/777942047684788224

    How do you get a TUE for a substance that has never been medically approved to treat an orthopedic knee condition?

    Even if you stretch the WADA code for musculo-skeletal injury beyond its limit, and allow cosyntrophin due to it's 'glucocorticoid' effects, aren't you only allowed one dose, rather than one dose every three days?

    https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/M.I._Musculosketeletal_Conditions_2.0_EN.pdf

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  26. TUE is a lot of noice with no real substance. TUE has nothing to do with real doping unless it is used all year long. Saying someone is a doper because they have received few TUEs is a false claim. I would be more inclined to be suspicious of those who never requested TUEs or never get injured

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    1. Unless "it is used all year long"? Then it wouldn't be a "therapeutic use exemption", because an illness is not, by definition, a permanent condition - which in a professional athlete would be crippling. A TUE application is certainly not confined to disabilities like asthma or ADHD. But the medications that require a TUE are subject to restriction because they can also be performance-enhancing - if they are used for that purpose alone. Especially if the malady is a bogus claim of the "flu". But this clown can't see that.

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    2. "I would be more inclined to be suspicious of those who never requested TUEs or never get injured"

      This is either a stupid or very misinformed comment considering that people including ex. dopers have spoken about how they abused the TUE system and used it to cheat/gain an advantage.

      TUE system can be abused by athletes - Dr Richard McLaren
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/37382825

      Jaksche on Sky’s TUE controversy: ‘We used the same excuse in my era.’
      http://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/jaksche-on-skys-tue-controversy-we-used-the-same-excuse-in-my-era/

      2/2 "Why do TUE create alarm bells? Because they have been abused in the past by people like Lance Armstrong" Brailsford 2014
      https://twitter.com/jaksche/status/776562824709451776

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    3. Richard,

      No need to explain, I already know all that. So you think BMS adrenal insufficiency is 2 days affair?
      @Unitedk9. So from Armstrong doping, all you take from it is thr TUE?
      So Serena had flu for everyone of the 71 titles she won? Or the 2 out of the 71 titles? Or better yet one when she was sick from the beginning to the end of the tournament.
      What about Federer who for that illness associated to doping for over a year?
      I gets to a point where people on this site would associate someone wih 70 titles to the use of one TUE before a final.
      So you guys think Djokovic used TUE in 2011 to produce that performance? You seem confused about what doping is really about

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    4. BMS's "adrenal insufficiency" hahahaha.......

      Even the CAS hinted strongly in their arbitral documents that they thought the dx was bogus, but choose not to expend a lot of resources proving it.

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    5. BMS claim may not be accurate but it doesn't mean that condition is not permanent. She even got some of her TUE approved.

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  27. Right, we got your troll...sorry your point: Fed never got injured (except this year, and 2013), so he's a doper. And Serena is a goddess.

    Apart from that, a backdated TUE is not necessarily a one time thing, even if it's not for use all year. It's easy to imagine a scenario where you test positive, and ask good ol' Stuart to bail you out with a TUE, with the help of your team doctor making a bogus diagnosis. That is, if the substance you tested positive for is not something too obvious like steroids or EPO...

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    1. If you tested positive many times, you should have many backdated TUES, like at least 70+ of them, not one or 2

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    2. Who says Fancy Bears disclosed all of Nadal's or Serena's TUEs? Maybe that was all they got access to or maybe the rest will come later.

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    3. At least we got to see their files. We now only need to see Federer's

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    4. Maybe he doesn't have any.

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