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This journalist is obviously a racist. How dare he imply -- even meekly -- that a role model such as one Serena Williams might know something about shady TUEs. The world needs more Brad Gilberts, John MacEnroes, Chris Fowlers, Jon Wertheims, Greg Garbers, Steve Tignors, et al. to laud the praises of the great tennis warriors Venus, Serena, Rafa, Nole and friends to the braindead masses.
You forgot to mention the triple nose pioneer.
I'm sure if the interviewer was male that'll be the headline with misogyny thrown in for the click bait/triggering factor.
Exactly.Wiggins is taking all the heat at the moment. After all he is white, heterosexual male. No one will defend him - although I think he is a doper.
Serena heading for the panic room.
I haven't seen the actual footage (geo-blocked for me) but have no reason to doubt the transcript. If that interview was granted on the proviso that there would be no TUE questions, but the French journo chose to spring it on her at the last minute anyway, her storming off would make sense. Regardless, it was a very weak PR response from SW. This question was coming either sooner or later. I'm surprised she didn't deliver the usual athlete mantra "my TUE was approved within the rules, and for medical reasons". Maybe the press response to the Bradley Wiggins situation has athletes rattled... So many approved oral/intramuscular glucocorticoids prescriptions for individuals acutely crippled with severe asthma/allergic disorders, but still apparently able to compete at the highest level of athletic endeavor.
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"If that interview was granted on the proviso that there would be no TUE questions, but the French journo chose to spring it on her at the last minute anyway, her storming off would make sense."How so? An unfair question about a purely personal matter, or a subject of significant public interest - that she appears to be ducking?
@ Richard. 'Make sense" as in it would explain why she was seemed flustered and clearly not ready/prepared to give a response. I would have assumed her PR people would have advised her how to deal with that question if they thought there was any possibility that it would get posed. I'm wasn't suggesting it was OK that she refused to answer. She should have, IMO.
thnks for knowlegable information about interview.Gold Commodity Tips
Why would she say anything if she has nothing to say?
Hasn't stopped her in the past.
An easy enough question to answer, a simple "I think Venus said enough for both of us". One thing for certain the naivety written all over her face answered for her - she didn't believe anyone would have the nerve to ask a question on those TUE's of hers.
She reacted exactly as one would expect a guilty person to react. Nuff said.
Yes and it reminds me of Nadal's oh so unconvincing "doping is very bad" (or something like that)in an interview with CNN a few years back. He had the facial expressions -- nervous tics and all -- of a liar.
It also reminds me of the lateral triple nosw who said even if he was doping, he wouldn't tell the reporters
Boreman? Is that you?
@EdSo you are acknowledging, she sounds like a doper? Well done - real progress.
Always confused Mr.Richard...always confused
By the way richard, did you see her leaving after she left that horse face hanging? The only word that was left hanging out of my mouth was damn...
@Picassowahat "Yes and it reminds me of Nadal's oh so unconvincing "doping is very bad"Indeed. CNN Open Court:https://youtu.be/W5Nr1VnqFcE?t=3m35sAt least he stuck around for the question.
What does it have to do with anything. Real dopers don't rely on TUEs
Do you guys remember when she was high on drugs during a doubles match with Venus a few years back? For something that was filmed for all to see,this story was buried soooo fast. I guess she popped the wrong pills that day, huh?
yes @Picassowhathttps://youtu.be/fJplGI1MIVQThat was the weirdest I've ever seen on court. Almost as if she was having a stroke and then nothing more was said of it. Big surprise. I wonder if she was tested after that match?
At 1:27 you could see Venus almost laughing? That doesn't look like a worried sister to me. Yet another inexplicable event the the curious case of Serena Williams.
Maybe she had already tested positive and the powers that be told them they had to lose the match so Serena put on some ridiculous show (she always said she wants to be an actress) so they could retire from the match. That was the 2nd round. Coincidentally (or not), Serena lost in the 3rd round on the Saturday before this doubles match.
Always in admiration of you flourishing imagination when it comes to build a case out of gossip against Serena but when your idol has to testify after being caught match fixing, you have an endless list of arguments to defend him
wasn't long ago you almost accused me of making the match fixing scandal up.
Noticed serena said they helped me out??? That is as far as an honest person could go. Only someone out of touch with reality would think she should mention prednisone. She went to doctors in France and as we were saying she only took that flu drug for the final just to avoid pulling out. That prednisone would help her get close to her normal level had she not been sick throughout the tournament. I was helped...that is how an honest person would react.On the other hand, lets have a closer look at our corrupted match fixer-in-chief alias the legendary triple nose. He makes similar recovery after a back injury that makes him pull out of a final of a very important competition a few days earlier. the journalists suspicious asked him I he doped to get back in shape overnight. To which the man replied... Even if I doped, I wouldn't tell you....and it took him 3 months to realize that he didn't dope. but from that situation we can ask 2 important questions: Did he get cortico cortico to recover so fast or did he use something more powerful...something that probably allowed him to stay injury free for almost his entire career.We are still on an article that will ask the right questions about the most suspcicious of all, but I am sure we won't get it because those who comment on this site are not really against doping. They masquerade their intentions their real intentions by accusing everyone in sight and making sure that they include those they want to discredit for their personnel satisfaction. Anti-doping my ass
Don't understand this obsession you have. In its early days of this blog, Federer was not a topic because he did not show the most obvious signs that were looked for. However, he has become suspicious in the past years as the dumbest doper ever (because he did not win anything important since long time, despite these strange behaviors). He is on the list of the suspected, as any top 5 athlete of any sport. You can rest your case.
It is boggling that anyone would think Federer is a doper but Serena isn't.
Exactly. The player who hasn't won a slam in over four years is doping but the one who has won eight in the same time period, at the same age as Federer, is clean as a whistle. It definitely is mind boggling.
There is no reason why I would believe after having analyzed Fed and compared him to other sophisticated dopers that he is not a doper. He would have won 40 titls if not for 2 men and this is happening on the men side. For me accusing someone is not a random process based on fan emotion. It is based on a ton of analyses. Lopi, it is not the same level of competition. There is no female on the women side that can reach 2 consecutive finals of minor tournaments. Serena still manages to be #2 when he is going against 2 potential goats and he also played possibly twice the # of tournaments Serena played at tge same age and it affects how fresh you are late in you career.
You say it as though Federer gave multiple responses every week. Perhaps you should read all transcripts in that period. He was asked once at DC pre conference final and he was never asked again during that week- then there was the off season. The only other time the topic was broached was in early 2015, where he would have responded (another slight failing on the part of Journalists that they didn’t follow up at the next available opportunity).I’m guessing if he did get a TUE for cortisone, you think he’d have just dismissed the interviewer just as S.Williams did there right? After all in the views of some of these athletes it’s “legal” as long as you have permission.Perhaps Federer should have done what is confirmed S. Williams did in 2015, take Prednisolone (a cortico cortico corticosteroid), win Roland Garros two days later and then get Stuart Miller to back-date her drug use. Notice that nowhere in the post-match interview did Williams mention she had taken Prednisolone.Anyway I’m not sure why you continually froth at the mouth at the notion that Serena might be a drugs cheat. No top athlete, including strong woman Serena Williams is below suspicion. At the moment she and Nadal are facing even more scrutiny here thanks to the leaks and it doesn’t help their case that some of their TUEs were back dated. Most here would agree that there’s it's possible that Federer may have used or is currently using PEDs now because to the drug epidemic that exists in all sports and Tennis not so perfect anti doping program. But you saying things such as “legendary triple nose” don’t exactly bolster your case. Not to mention it reads like something you would find on the online asylums that are the Tennis Forums. Unless you think of course that a person having a large nose is a side effect of PED use…
The reality is Federer didn't say he took anything. Serena said she was helped. Federer had a delayed as if he was worried about the consequences of telling the truth. May be it came down to whether he would be tested or not. If he was tested, he would acknowledge that he took cortico cortico but if he was not then there was no need for it. For someone caught talking about fixing matches, he is a very clever man and that's why it took him another opportunity to say that he didn't take anything.The types of steroids that Serena took would have allowed you to get back what you lost while being sick. They only make you better than your normal self if you were healthy before you took them. That is what TUE are for and that's why they check if they are justified. Federer taking them when injured would not have fared any better at the Rolland garros final because he couldn't win even when healthy and on top of his regimen.The TUE for the French final has be backdated because you can't get it approved before the finals.I don't know about the triple nose issue. May they are side effect of doping. I never claim to be a doper. I thought he had a huge neck for someone so skinny. But again I don't know. There was a lady before him whose nose was like a fusion of 3 consecutive noses and who clearly displayed signs of doping.
I was referring to the circumstances under which Ms. Williams was granted permission, not that Federer would have won Roland Garros. But that went over your head as did my last sentence of a large nose being a side-effect of PEDs. That was sarcasm. I will say though that it's too bad Federer, Berdych, Wawrinka and other players in the ATP skipped the Olympics, I would have like to see if they'd had been granted any TUEs in the past (unless Fancy bears are holding out on us) "There was a lady before him whose nose was like a fusion of 3 consecutive noses and who clearly displayed signs of doping."You know what, you're good at sprouting nonsensical statements. I'll give you that.
"Noticed serena said they helped me out???"That was back in 2015, on the actual issue she walked away (literally) from it.
First doping doesn't guarantee majors or titles but does help so I don't understand anything about your comments. Fed did have plenty of wins without major titles and was # 2 in the world recently. If it is just because in the past you didn't suspect Federer probably because he is not muscular how come commenters on this site never talked extensively about the doping scandal he was involved in? Did he need to be muscular too? how does anyone know if many of the few losses he got when he was only losing a few matches in the past were the result of match fixing???This is a pro-Federer and anti-Williams site. The rest is either intentional or unintentional camouflage.
So how is life on the dark side of the moon?
"doping doesn't guarantee majors or titles"WoW! I thought that's what you were basing your argument on. His 17 major titles. No? You're just basing it on the fact that he has managed to win a few titles in his 30's? LOL. Sure bro. Must be nice to live in an alternate reality.
And the fact that you call Federer "the triple nose" or whatever it is, shows that your hatred of him runs very deep indeed. You really should seek help for that.
Lopi Lopi, go read the comment I was replying to. Manas said Federer hasn't won titles recently and therefore he must be a dumb doper. That was my reply to it. How can I call him a pioneer of sophisticated doping and claim that he started doping recently?
Richard, all I know is that they don't allow any confused being on the other side of the moon
Above, I was asking about why the army of advocates of clean sport never talked extensively of his match fixing scandal. Not the doping scandal
@Eric EdPlease provide links to these supposed scandals otherwise don't bring them up again. This is getting tedious.
If he was capable of self reflection he might ask himself why 90% of the comments here, on a site devoted to anti-doping in tennis, are a defence of Serena - and they are his alone. If not proof of her doping - which I am inclined to think it is - it is at least proof of his madness.
Lopi,There is a reason why you are the first person to ask for the links to this scandals and you should ask yourself why. May be richard can tell you about it. Regarding the usage of corticosteroids, I posted the link last time. The article is in French.@richardAlways confused Mr.richard...always confused. Can never make any logical sense of your statements
LOL. well if you're talking about the time he told a journalist that if he had taken anything for his back then he wouldn't tell him...OMG what a scandal that was. I thought you meant a real scandal. And what's the match fixing scandal again?
I said I meant to type match fixing scandal not doping scandal which means there was no doping scandal. The journalists are the ones who decide to make a scandal out of an event for the most part. Federer is a very protected man. Even the cameramen know they have to cut out some of his outbursts to protect his brand. Othetwise, why would a journalist ask the same question later on if not to give him the opportunity to give a more acceptable answer that will quiet those who might surprised by his initial answer... even if I took a banned substance, I wouldn't tell you.Regarding the match fixing, either you can't find it online because they got rid of the links or you are not looking well enough. I am very surprised you were not aware of it.
Ok. So produce the links. You're the one who brought it up so let's see what you're talking about. I'm not going back through threads here to find what you say you've already posted.
Which is to say: "The ball's in your court, Mr. Ed."
I might be the one who brought it up but I am not the one did it. If this blog was more concerned about cheating, they would have wrote an article about it. But since this is a fan base blog, it seems that many people were not aware of it.
Actually this blog covered it. But as the search function has been disabled, Thasp's posts on the matter are difficult to track down.The case involved Ted Forstmann previous CEO of IMG. In 2007, Forstmann had bet $40,000 that Federer would defeat Nadal in the final of Roland Garros. -Forstmann is being sued in Los Angeles County Superior Forstmann acknowledged betting on Federer and gambling on sports in general but rejected Agate's claim that he increased bets on Federer after consulting with him."I might have called Roger before the match in 2007," Forstmann told the website The Daily Beast. "But Roger is a buddy of mine, and all I would be doing is wishing him luck."Agate's lawsuit claims that Forstmann bet $5,000 on Federer to win the 2006 French Open final, a match he also lost to Nadal, and the following year placed bets of $22,000 and $11,000 on Federer to win on June 9, the day before the men's final.http://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=5787891-We're supposed to believe that Federer told Forstmann that he was the favorite and he had a good chance of beting Nadal in a French Open final which is why Forstmann's placed bets. Sounds doubtful, considering that he'd never come close to beating Nadal on Chatrier. Now if the bets had involved their Wimbledon finals, the case would have been more interesting.
Unless of course during their friendly conversation Federer said something along the lines of "fancying his chances" to win, indirectly influencing Forstmann's decision.
LOL. So this is the match-fixing scandal Eric speaks of? He's going to have to do better than that. Like UntitledK9 said, if it had been Wimbledon it would have been more interesting since the odds would have been in Federer's favour. But no way would any top player throw a major final match. The monetary rewards of winning the final would far exceed any betting gains. And of course he would always say he feels like he could win the match. Does that make him complicit? Any player would say the same otherwise they are defeated before even stepping on court.
Thrusting is believing and it feels good. Did you expect them to tell you whatever happens behind closed doors and all the other times???
So, Lopi, in your opinion, it is not a scandal. Something that drags its feet till the corrupt guys have to appear in front of a commission or go to court is not a scandal. You guys are very naïve and you seem to be when it comes to Federer, it is almost funny. For guys who have so much imagination as to know exactly what happens in the bedroom of those you dislike you seem to lose every bit of it when it comes to Federer. The deity with the triple nose can do no wrong. His fans/disciples even expect him to say he was fixing matches. Serena has cut on her feet they said she was doping. Their deity is involved in a match fixing scandal and they say whatever justification he provides must be true. Why was he involved in the match fixing conversation if he wasn't shady or hasn't been at least till that point?
Forstmann's relationship to Federer was through IMG, which he was CEO of and which represented Federer. If he bet on Federer, yes he was wrong to do that. But there was never any proof that Federer knew he was betting on his matches. And btw, Forstmann died in 2011. I think this is much ado about nothing. To put it in terms that perhaps Eric can relate to, let's look at a hypothetical situation:Serena Williams tells her agent that she feels great and will probably win a certain match. The agent goes and places abet on her, his client, believing that she will win. She loses the match and he loses the bet. Is Serena guilty? You decide.
How the hell do you feel you can win??? I don't know what that means. It sounds like a childish fairy tale. If you want to bet you bet. you don't need to talk about it to the player unless there was something shady behind. how do you know this was the first time or only time. He could have betted on a ton of matches.
Well I choose to believe Federer didn't know Forstmann was betting and he was just having a conversation with the CEO of the company representing him, who also was a friend apparently. What would be in it for Federer other than ruining his reputation and possibly his career if it got out that he gave some sort of information to Forstmann. Telling a friend that you feel good about winning a match is far cry from match fixing. Jesus, man you are stubborn. I guess my Serena analogy didn't convince you. So please, if telling Forstmann that he felt good about the match wasn't giving him some kind of "inside info" then in what way do you think Federer was fixing that match? I would like your scholarly opinion Eric Ed. How did Federer match fix? I would like to know.
How do you know that's just what was said? How do you know that is the only time they had that type of conversation? Who related the conversation? The accuser or the accused? Even if I accept their version of the facts, if you are not shady, you will not want someone to approach you with that type of conversation and have a potential whistle blower around. That is just one case out of many.
What did you expect them to say when caught anyway??? That they were cheating?
What did you expect them to say when caught anyway??? That they were cheating?"I'm guessing that's why Serena refused to acknowledge the journalist's last question and walked away from the interview. So she's a cheater as well, no? Also the match fixing "scandal" with Federer is a non-issue if you'd actually read details of the case. It's not as if IMG/Forstmann promised to pay him $2 million to throw a slam final, but continue your trolling if you wish.
She just declined to feed the crap of journalists. Federer. Anyone can create any scenario to defend themselves. It is like saying 2 persons caught conspiring about doping would only have done it once because they only had a witness to one of such conversations.
I would have said anything either if I were Serena. The TUEs are self explanatory. What do they wan her to talk about? She even acknowledged before that she was helped unlike some liar who said he just happened to recover from a debilitating back pain overnight.
I agree that this is not a nice blog for Serena and Rafa fans. Whoever wants to convice himself and all other readers that these two athletes are clean and playing fair is better moving to another site. Eric Ed is right, this site is frequented by some Federer fans, who is not the most questionned athlete on this 'tennis has a steroid problem' blog. Despite his unbelievably successful career, stopped only by Nadal and Djokovic, even at this old age for a top player, Federe is seen by some fans as the last clean player. Some readers here seem ready to believe that Federer, playing clean and fair, would have won probably another 10 Grand Slams was it not for the bad doper boys Rafa followed by Novak, and a conspiracy to slow down all courts. It takes quite some optimism (or fan blindness) to believe that script, despite the few if any signs that hint to Federer as a likely doper. Too good to be true, I guess, and can understand that this is outrageous for a Serena fan who happens to dislike Federer.
I'm not sure the blogs any more pleasant for fans of other players, every player is fair game. I'm not saying I have a problem with it but it's always best to at least back it up with some kind of evidence. For me, Fab Farns posts are some of the most enjoyable to read as he always does just that.There's nothing wrong with arguing against a player doping but Eric Ed seems to target Federer as either a way of deflecting from Serena or because he thinks everyone here are Federer fans. At least he's actually trying to back it up with some evidence now.
The fans angle is interesting. Looking back at some old posts from 2011/12, there were a few Nadal fans crying foul and accusing Djokovic of PED use because he kept beating Nadal in big finals. After Nadal had another one of his miraculous comeback in 2013, they disappeared from the blog. So far some of the Federer fans (and Murray's) seem to have stuck around, I'm guessing it's because there hasn't been any major revelations. But I'll you what though, it would be interesting to see if Federer after returning this this prolonged break starts out grinding and running down the rest of the tour in 5 hour marathons and perhaps for the first time in his entire career win back to back 5 set matches.
Anyone can say you guys talked about anyone else besides Federer to make to deflect attention from him. The reason why Federer's fans have stuck around is to be able to discredit Djokovic and Nadal so that Fed doesn't have a challenge to the GOAT title. They know Fed is unlikely to win more majors so they want to damage the reputations of Djokovic and Nadal so that even if they are not caught doping at least the rumors can be strong enough to tarnish their reputation.
I have never tried to deflect the debate from accusations against Serena. All I ever asked you is proof not fantasy, not gossip... All I need is proof.
You are already living in the realm of fantasy.
Had to LOL - the UK news websites are all covering Serena's outspoken views on the African-American police killings."I won't be silent" she exclaims:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37491889Shame then that she isn't as forthright when quizzed about her use of prohbitied substances under the veil of TUEs.
Serena learned the currency in the hysteria of Victimhood a long time ago. She's just topping up her account....
‘There comes a time when silence is betrayal.’ ?? really Serena....really?
^^^ That's going on her tombstone, bud.
I'd just like to point out that police killings of african americans do not portray the american society and its public institutions in good light. There I probably agree with Serena. I don't think her facebook post is 'outspoken'. However she does like many others have questions to answer in relation to TUEs. The two topics - TUEs and police killings are somewhat separate issues. I hope we can respect that.
Rive, what did you expect?
Rive, this shows double standards that borders on hypocrisy. Serena's happy to jump on issues that give her social justice brownie points, but when it comes to issues such as integrity of the sport she's closely involved with she falls silent and walks away.
I agree its hypocrisy. Serena and others should make a statement on TUEs. However, race relations in the US is a sensitive topic which is by far bigger than doping. Race relations touches on slavery, genocide, work-place discrimination, delayed right to vote, social mobility, and more recent police killings. Its a big thorny issue that'll take decades to resolve. I'm just saying lets be sensitive to it.
Djokovic pulls out of China Open. Must be shocking for all of us.
Shocking stuff. What could it be now, his shoulder? His elbow? His back? His toe? Or maybe the wrist injury that he says is the same as Delpo's, despite seemingly not needing surgery.
From Werthiem:"Yet, I’m a little troubled that you have two players testing positive for the same drug during the same testing cycle; one gets cleared after proving the use was retroactive. The other gets two years, nearly 20% of her career. (Again, compare this to suspension lengths for first-time doping offenses in other sports. Union much?)"I think one reason Sharapova’s doping and suspension has triggered such a strong response is because of the various offsetting factors. (Even in the media, I have some colleagues who think this is a “witch hunt” and unduly harsh; while others think even two years is insufficient.) In Sharapova’s favor: the evidence that meldonium is a performance enhancer is weak. Her error seems to be more one of sloppiness/arrogance and less an intention to break rules. She did take the step of conceding use in 2016, which was going to trigger punishment automatically. (The cynic wonders whether, while morally bankrupt, she could have tried to assert that her use was all prior to 2016.) [...] The Sharapova camp is preparing a lengthy public rebuttal, that we are happy to share when available. For now, the proverbial ball is in CAS’s court, which will likely rule on her appeal within the next week. http://www.si.com/tennis/2016/09/28/mailbag-2016-hall-of-fame-nominees-roddick-kafelnikov-sharapova-lepchenko-Verdict should be soon.
(The cynic wonders whether, while morally bankrupt, she could have tried to assert that her use was all prior to 2016.) Yes that is morally bankrupt, thank you Jon Weirheim for showing the caliber of journalism you subscribe.Sharapova will have her sentence reduced though, however one consolation is she will drop out of the top 100 by January 26th. She'll be begging for wildcards, qualifying and probably will have to find herself playing in a couple of 25k events for the ranking points.
Wertheim basically said what we (well most of us) have said here: If only Maria had kept her mouth shut she would have gotten a slap on the wrist and maybe a 3 month silent ban and she'd be back on court. Wertheim's comment just makes me think he knows something we've all suspected: that professional athletes are "morally bankrupt" and will do what it takes to bend the rules.
I'm amazed, considering the events in recent weeks, that someone along the corrupt chain between Shriekapova's own 'medics' to the hush men of the ITF's disciplinary panel didn't see fit to shoehorn a backdated TUE for Meldonium.Considering the draw of her name to the braindead masses, it surprises me they allowed her to be the one big name revealed. Surely the powers that be could have intercepted on her behalf before she sang like a canary?
Missier I never doped because I have a triple nose playing against some of the biggest dopers of all time:Grand slam record17 men's singles titles overall Stands alone 3 men's singles titles per-year 3 times 2004, 2006–07 2 men's singles titles per-year 5 times 2004–07, 2009 27 men's singles finals overall 40 men's singles semifinals overall 48 men's singles quarterfinals overall 10 consecutive men's singles finals 23 consecutive men's singles semifinals 36 consecutive men's singles quarterfinals 65 consecutive men's singles tournament appearances 307 men's singles match wins overall 158 hardcourt wins overall Reached all 4 Grand Slam finals 3 times (2006–07, 2009)ATP rankings302 weeks at World No.1 of the ATP rankings 237 consecutive weeks at World No.1 of the ATP rankings
It is also important for me to add: barely injured throughout career. First injury that required surgery came at 35 years old while missier ... listen to me... was walking...We need the Wimbledon crowd to laugh some more.
"All I need is proof", you say. What exactly did you just prove with this list of Federers achievements?
I wrote a long list of anomalies when it comes to Federer and in those categories, Federer beats Serena 10 to 1. Even a fan of Federer gave a list of elements that qualifies for doping and Federer satifies more than 90% of them while Serena about 15% and it was on this blog. I can give out that list again. Doping criteria wise, Federer has nothing to envy Nadal and Djokovic while Serena trails far behind. I even asked Serena haters to give me the list of doping characteristics that they see from Serena and they can find more than one or 2 and would rather hide behind gossip like panic room, cut feet, etc.
"gossip like panic room, cut feet, etc."Not gossip. Fact. Unlike anything that you have written. Stop trying to derail this blog.
Panic room and cut feet were real. The opinions that surround them are a result of who can come up with the best scenario to incriminate someone they don't like. If you can go from cut feet to doping and from a test after the end of the season when the next competition is a few months away to doping, I don't know how hard is it to tie someone involved in a match fixing conversation to match fixing.
If you think I am derailing the blog because I am exposing the mindset of the posters, then you just confirmed what I was saying earlier that the blog is more about hunting down those who are disliked than finding truth about doping. The inclusion of everyone in sight except the loved ones has to do with proving that the tennis authorities allow people to dope and therefore those you don't like can be assumed guilty of doping. The ones that you like...not so much
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@Eric Ed the "match-fixing scandal" only exists in your head. Why don't you post something meaningful here instead of regurgitating the same old sh*t. Because you don't have anything on anyone else, that's why. It's all fabricated and you're butt hurt because your beloved Serena is the most likely culprit. End of story.
Once a match fixer, always a match fixer
You are talking about Serena's five double faults in one game to throw the match at the Olympics, right?
By the way, I thought Djokovic's name should appear on the fancyBear list already since he played in the Olympics. Or may be, he's never doped after all.
I forgot, which medal did he win?
i also forgot, which medal did Serena win?It seems that you're always trailing in understanding.
I am trailing? Age, my dear friend, age, it slows you down both physically and mentally, unless you are a Pro Tennis Athlete.
Reminds me of the legend of a triple nose deity
You mean the player who is showing normal signs of gradual decline, slowly but steadily moving down in the ranks, losing the finals he used to win, having more and more physical ailments?
Djokovic has his cvac pod and his gluten-free diet. He doesn't need to dope. ;)
Losing which finals he used to win? He has been in trouble against Djokovic for quiet some time now. Doping doesn't give you eternal life. It helps you stay better than what you would have been otherwise.
Oh what a decline, the man would still probably be # 2 in the world if he weren't injured. At this point of his career, had it not been for his injury, he would beat Nadal and all his fans know it. They are just acting as if they don't.
Re these blog comments being harsh (but fair) on Nadal, Djokovic, and Serena - Well if Nadal and S.Williams didn't go about snarling and chest beating like a silverback gorilla, have amazing recovery powers, and now, been shown to be legalised dopers, then there would be less reason to be suspicious and they would get less attention! Their backdated TUE's and past dishonesty about them are showing that they've got something to hide and should be worried. Even more reason to be wary! And if Djokovic didn't go from 2010 weakling to 2012 superman, with a suddenly fatless body and Lance Armstrong stamina, then we wouldn't be suspicious of him either. Comments here merely reflect what's happening on court and on tour, and these three are the most suspicious big names out there!
@MysteryWhy are you wasting your time arguing with this fucking idiot? It isn't remotely interested in discussing issues around anti-doping; ignore it.
Also, if Djokovic has beem doping since the beginning of his career like triple nose, you wouldn't see any contrast and therefore would think he is clean unless you dislike him. That's the issue with this site, people who barely know manifestation of doping who focus on accusing everything in site.
Only in your mind Mystery, only in your mind
At least Mystery has a mind; you, on the other hand, are little more than a gust of wind emitted from Serena's very substantial buttocks.
substantial...At least I am reassured thatshe wouldn't use them to break nuts any time soon
Eric Ed has posted 41 times in a thread of 106 posts and still we have no idea what he's saying (other than Serena is clean and Federer is a match fixer). And I've yet to see any proof of either allegation. There used to be a poster here named Boreman. I wouldn't be surprised if they are one and the same person.
woao, you counted my posts?
Gentlemen, this Federer is or is not a doper is getting a little tiresome.
Why? Over the years. we have had 1000s of post abiut Serena and it doesn't seem tiresome or may be it is because it turns into a competition of who could use his perverted imagination to come up with the best possible scenario to incriminate Serena? Federer's one feels very exciting to me.
Serena is just as guilty of doping as Roger probably. I just tire of long arguments of without evidence. With Serena we've had real TUEs to discuss. Nothing new on Roger has yet been released. Feel free to discuss this further, its just I won't be paying much attention until Roger's TUEs come to light *yawn*
As a side note, I was once a big fan of Venus and Serena. In the late 90s, I remember watching Graf vs Serena and routing for Serena. Serena looked normal in terms of body shape then. Now a days, it just seems strange to watch her on court - she seems to defy physics in terms of body mass and how quickly she can move. Fed is probably on something - tennis requires a lot of stamina and he has consistently shown he can last long matches. Federer has been clever enough to keep a body shape that still looks normal and still dope.
I tried to understand what drives Eric Ed to spend so much of his time on this blog, whom he wants to convince of what and why. As a Federer fan, I am obviously one of the people he tries to speak to through his "provocations". I think I got his point, he is like someone sitting in front of a mirror constantly talking and getting angry about the behavior of his reflection, because he thinks that left should be right while right should be left. A troll gets tired and leaves at some point, he seems like a troll on PEDs, outlasting everybody. And when nothing else works, gamesmanship and name calling, almost like roid rage, all seen before on tennis courts. I found it entertaining while waiting for the revelation of the blood bags' nametags in the Fuentes case or the next TUE revelation.
We all have the capacity to get irate about certain things. I used to feel strongly about how the show writers of Game of Thrones have ruined the TV show. Sometimes, our real lives can be frustrating experiences which can manifest into online rage.
Internet 101: "Don't feed the troll."
Amen! Every once in a while someone reminds the rest of us of this little caveat, but he keeps coming back and instigating. We shouldn't continue to be defensive in the face of baseless assertions and fantasy. Obviously to me, this guy and perhaps others don't understand or see the vast difference between the baseline hugging bashing thrashing modern game and the ballet-like, artistic wonder Trat is the all court, classic game. I rest my case.
The trolling idiot is a narcissist, who thus perfectly reflects the object of his adoration. Except that Serena is completely unaware of his meaningless existence. Sad little troll.
@ Rive, did yoy always have the TUEs to talk about or is it in their anticipation that her haters have always talked about her. For those who know a thing or 2 about doping, they know doping has nothing to do with TUEs unless they are the drugs are taken for extended amount of time. I don't expext many TUEs from Djokovic and Federer just because I am convinced they are the really sophisticated dopers. Your assertion that Federer kept his body lean while Serena didn't only show your limitations as well as those who side with you. Those who are likely to be fat are more likely to be bulkier when they lift weight. Murray can get bulky while Federer will only look like a human with mosquito legs. Moreover blacks tend to get bulkier compared to white. I posted a video of women of the Cameroonian volley ball team and they all looked like Serena. If they lifted weight, they will look just like her. Why do many white girls refuse to lift weight because they want ro remain feminine if lifting weight doesn't make females look more masculine. The level of knowledge on this site is just below the threshold of what should be deemed acceptable.
@Manas, if you don't think you are provoking me by criticizing Serena while would you think I am provoking you by criticizing Federer?
@Anynomous, you should rest your mind not your case after such incoherent ramblings. You see, I always look out for others
@richard, always helplessly confused.
You may be the first person to get a TUE for dementia.
So Kvitova, a player not known for her fitness, cramps during a three-set comeback over Kerber. Yet playing the next day, she thumps Konta. Granted, Konta isn't tremendous competition, but she's still ~top 15 and plays well on hard courts, so this is fishy to me.Kvitova hasn't had a great year, either, so she's not on some crazy run of form. She's only had three semis (Stuttgart, losing to Kerber; New Haven, getting demolished by Radwanska; the Olympics, losing to Puig) and one quarter (Indian Wells, losing to Radwanska); her slam results are a second round loss to Gavrilova in Australia, a third round loss to Shelby Rogers in France, a second round loss to Makarova in Wimbledon, and a fourth round loss to Kerber in New York.Aside from Rogers, who was sub-100 in Paris, Kvitova's worst loss (ranking-wise) was Ostapenko (#88) in Doha, but Ostapenko is top 40 now so it looks less bad. She had to retire against Saisai Zheng (#72) at the beginning of the year and lost to Brengle (#60) in Dubai, but otherwise, her losses are to people in the top 40.In terms of three-set matches, she lost to Halep (#3) in Fed Cup, lost to Brengle (#60) in Dubai, lost to Ostapenko (#88) in Dubai, beat Kovinic (#51)/Larsson (#66)/Gibbs (#95) in Indian Wells, beat Niculescu (#31)/Muguruza (#4) in Stuttgart, lost to Kerber (#3) in Stuttgart, beat Kovinic (#59) in France, lost to Rogers (#108) in France, lost to Ostapenko (#38) in Birmingham, lost to Konta (#18) in Eastbourne, beat Makarova (#35) in Rio, lost to Puig (#34) in Rio, beat Chirico (#79) in New Haven, lost to Puig (#33) in Tokyo, and beat Kerber (#1) in Wuhan.So she's 9-9 overall this year, with two wins against the top 10. I know that this is the first tournament that Kerber is playing with the #1 ranking and that there might be some emotional fatigue from winning the US, but the way Kvitova won was weird.
Don't forget, Kvitova is another 'injured or unwell' player - we know that of course as her being named as a recipient of a TUE.I've said several times that Kvitova's spikes in form make me somewhat curious - IIRC, I was flatly rebuked on this blog - of all places - for merely voicing this curiosity.
I can't say much about Kvitiova as I haven't followed her much. But Konta is one player who has beefed up and made a big gain in the rankings. It all happened a year ago when LTA withdrew funding for many players and she was one of them. So Konta went away, suddenly got fitter and made a biggish jump in rankings from ~75 to top 20.
@RiveQuite. At a relatively old age, no less.
I haven't watched the tournament you mentioned but I've always felt Kvitova's erratic form is down to the way she plays. It's VERY high risk and quite often there is no reward. Also, there were reports on her asthma LONG before her TUE leaked so I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually legit. But of course it's not impossible that she's been playing the system like others.The only thing I really found strange was the whole mono thing. What is it with tennis players and mononucleosis?! I wonder if any of the medication for it is performance enhancing.
^^^ again, with the Kvitova explanations. I've seen other players called out on here for far less than Kvitova's bizarre patterns of form. I've watched her play plenty of times and fail to see how her 'style of play' explains such drastic dips and highs - it's not as if she's the first high-serving heavy groundstroker on the women's tour, is it?
And don't forget Kvitova won New Haven last year while she was allegedly suffering from mono.
I've always suspected Kvitova more of tanking and match fixing than doping. The amount of UE's she racks up in matches is unbelievable for a player at her level. Maybe she's making more money losing than doping up to win?
The Kvitova "spikes" in form, when she also hits 100 mph ground strokes, have always looked suspicious to me. Like any woman who suddenly starts playing like a man.
Lucie Safvora probably hasn't said anything about Serena's TUE during the French open because the subject would probably annoy BMS and knock their winning partnership off kilter.
Irrational as it sounds, I always detested BMS - the whole mid-Western, corn-fed, girl with a shotgun and big dogs and honkytonk husband schtick, topped off with an unfogivably shite taste in fashion - then we learn she's all but doping with permission. The shit-icing and on an especially shit-cake.And on the topic of Serena, I'm still dry-heaving a full 24-hour after her victim bandwagon-jumping article on the issue of black murders at the hands of cops. A blatant attempt to brush the TUE topic under the carpet by teliing us subliminally that 'you can't put pressure on a black woman unless your a racist pig. So don't ask me about doping mkay?'
I fear you are losing your faith in our role models.
Why would they even allow these 2nd tiers players to talk about the legendary queen Serena???
I think I just heard the breaking of wind.
Bradley talks in detail about his 'allergies'.https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/30/bradley-wiggins-interview-tues
The 5th or 6th attempt BW has made in the UK newspapers/TV at clarifying his use. He has been made an example of, and journos (in the Guardian at least) are still voicing concerns about BW even with all the attempted explanations. Fellow cyclists have taken a dim view also, with ex-dopers like Millar (who better to comment?) citing that BW's TUE drugs of choice have a blatant performance enhancing effect.A fee weeks before the TUE hacks broke, BW was the subject of a Guardian interview with the headline 'I don't want to be remembered as the bloke with sideburns'.No worries there Brad. It looks like you'll now be remembered as the bloke who applied for PEDs just before the Tour de Frances, during which you generally achieved your best results.
When I see this interview and later hear her talk about the discrimination by the police - it all makes sense from PR perspective. She should not discuss or clarify anything about her TUEs because it is impossible to defend. Instead she takes a clear stence regarding the police in US. Which is obviously the right thing to do. She would most likely not do it but it is a great opportunity to deflect the attention from her TUE problems and concentrate on her battle for black people rights.I am sure she has good professionals in her PR team.Now if someone asks her about why she takes these drugs she will say that it is a hidden discrimination act. The other thing is that even with undeniable proofs of her guilt her fans will still not believe a word of it. They will need more time to understand that they were conned.
Why don't you work on your name so that it is easily pronounceable by the average individual instead of talking about things you don't understand?your last name by itself can give someone teeth pain and the first name has too many z in it.
@Eric Ed too bad you can't read anything with more than one syllable. Just as I suspected.
Eric worked very long on his name. His own must be to complex for him to remember or simply he is a member of Serena's team. Trolling job must be a lot of fun for him. Poor boy.
@ Lopi, I am shocked you did the unthinkable by successfully counting all the way to 101.
Oh boy that was really mean. LOL. How long did it take you to think that one up?
I had it in mind since you counted my posts and I was just being classy. Had it been that totally confused richard, I would have brandished it already
Classy? 0_0and by the way, counting forty-one posts wasn't exactly time consuming; it only took about 15 seconds. But I'm glad you're concerned for my well-being.
Female skills I guess
Oh so you're a misogynist as well. Niiiiiice! (I know that's four syllables. You might have to look it up).
hahaha, just kidding. I will look it up. Don't worry.
We all know Serena's a great woman for the excuses, but she should stay away from these tried and failed excuses if she ever attempts to explain her TUE's.1. Selling drugs on the net (Melky Cabera, San Francisco Giants outfielder. Explaining he accidentally took his own produce after he tested positive for Testosterone in 2012)2. Sharing bodily fluids with someone who takes drugs (Richard Gasquet Tennis player - after testing positive for Cocaine in 2009)3. Having your drink spiked (Ben Johnson sprinter and career doper)4. Absorbing your twin in utreo (Tyler Hamilton cyclist, explaining his blood values).5. Drugs only meant for cosmetic enhancing (LaShawn Merrit Olympic Gold medalist. Explaining he only took a steroid to enhance little laShawn).6. Being over amorous (Dennis Michell, explained his high testosterone levels after giving his wife a special night before he won an Olympic medal in the 400m Relay).7. Eating animals fed on steroids (Petr Korda Tennis player - After testing positive for Nandrolone explained this was from eating too much steroid fed veal.)8. Getting a massage with a banned substance (Justin Gatlin sprinter and two time drug cheat)9. Cancer (Brian Cushing, NFL linebacker. Claimed elevated levels of HGH was due to numerous cancerous Growths in his body).10. Using "Traditional Methods" (North Korea Women's Soccer Team. After testing positive for steroids. NK officials claimed the team was hit by lighting and they used traditional Chinese medicine containing Deer musk to recover).11. Mammy bought me the wrong drug (Marlin Cilic Tennis player. Claims he's mother bought him the wrong vitamin with a stimulant in it) 12. Afraid of needles (Vitor Trioki Tennis player, explaining his reason for refusing a drug test).13. Smiling tablets containing stimulants. (Barbora Strycova Tennis player, explaining that sometimes even professional athlete who spend hours on court need extra help losing weight).
14. "i forgotz it is banned." Maria Shriekapova, 2016.
You forgot legendary excuses from legendary triple nose: Even if I took cortico cortico, I wouldn't tell you.He asked me if I feel confident that I can win so that he can bet 10s of $1000 on me... and I swear that was the only time we talked about betting...lol. sounds like story only a kid would make up but his fans believe him so much that I think they whished they had triple nose themselves just to show their supportYou have to read about it to believe it.I am pretty sure if Serena was the one who said that people on this blog would be asking for jail sentence.
How about sticking to the facts @Eric Ed. I notice you don't put quotation marks around that false statement. Once again, please show us the actual link to Federer saying that. ***crickets***(Just as I suspected).
Ignore the troll (most likely Serena's dad)
A troll? The amount of time ed invests defending the william's sisters on this blog (to a point where he's surpassed fanaticism into idolatry) one would wonder what is he getting out of it. He's certainly not going to convince me Serena is not doping.
No, he convinces no one. But his need is to protect his own sense of identity, which is utterly bound up in his transparently delusional beliefs about Serena. That is why he defends her beyond rationality; he defends himself - however unconscious he is of his reasons for doing that.
Ed just enjoys stinking up the comment section like the troll he is.
Its fatherly love.
I am glad to stink the sectarian section of this website with my revealing and undisputed truths
Love is truly blind.
Self- love - in his case - is even more blind. A complete jerk.
TIU deal out another ban for match fixing and the good news that Joshua Chetty with a ranking of 1857, nobody will miss him anyway... http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/37500240
"Joshua Chetty with a ranking of 1857"The world may turn on its axis after this earth-shattering bust...
Steve Clevenger, a Seattle Mariners pitcher has been suspended without pay for the rest of the season, and will unofficially never wear the Mariners uniform again. What did the guy do, drugs, match fixing? He criticized the rioters (on a rampage of burning, looting and beatings) in Charlotte, North Carolina on twitter...http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/09/23/steve-clevenger-tweets-suspended/90912142/
He's a backup catcher who made very racist comments. He was expendable and even if he wasn't, the Mariners were well within their rights to essentially get rid of him. Show me a job, let alone something as public as professional baseball, where you can say stuff like that and still keep your position.
Here is one of eight tweets Clevinger sent out: “BLM (Black Lives Matter) is pathetic again! Obama you are pathetic once again! Everyone should be locked behind bars like animals!”
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Fancy Bears are promising Round 6 on Twitter.
Lots of tennis players like prednisolone which has the side effect of being a performance enhancer. Counting so far - Serena (ofcourse), Rajeev Ram, Brian Baker ... http://fancybear.net/pages/6.htmlhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17805102
Wow, the amount of Methylprednisone Brian Baker was on - it must have been a really bad case of the flu.But yes, there seems to be a trend for using Prednisolone in Tennis Players. Reading up on this, It prevents the release of substances into the body which cause inflammation. My medical knowledge in limited in sports science but maybe this is favored by Tennis players because it reduces Lactic acid allowing quicker recovery for playing consecutive matches.
Yes true since they play tennis matches one evey other year
Great report on tennis's lame drug testing program, from ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/17693288/tennis-pristine-image-performance-enhancing-drugs-which-no-accident
They don't test for EPO, HGH and testosterone. Wow. "Annual sponsorship revenue is north of $250 million; long-term broadcast rights fees will top $1 billion in the coming years;""The ITF has an annual anti-doping budget of $4 million.""WADA-accredited testing labs offer a menu of tests and protocols to sports like tennis that leaders can select to root out doping. Tennis' anti-doping protocol for years relied on the cheapest, most basic screening offered by WADA labs. For about $300 per sample, the standard lab analysis is largely capable of detecting only anabolic steroids, stimulants and street drugs. It is almost incapable of detecting cutting-edge substances, instances of micro-dosing or the latest rage: designer peptides that trigger the body's natural release of testosterone and growth hormone. Only in the past two years has tennis significantly increased a portion of its protocols: The total number of all samples collected outside of competition as well as the overall number of blood samples collected.Despite wide suspicion over two decades about EPO use in tennis, only one in 16 player samples overall have been analyzed for the endurance-enhancing substance. Other summer Olympic sports have tested for EPO more than twice as often. Of all samples taken since tennis began testing for the substance in 2012, only one in 32 were collected out of competition and screened for EPO, according to the latest WADA test data.Isotope-ratio mass spectrometry, or IRMS/CIR testing, the most advanced method of detecting synthetic testosterone, has been used by tennis since 2012 but only sparingly: one in 44 samples analyzed overall, a slightly lower rate than other summer Olympic sports. For out-of-competition testing, only one in 138 of tennis samples taken have been analyzed using IRMS/CIR testing, compared with 1 in 84 for other summer Olympic sports."
Great link - thanks, Mary. This strikes me as the story with the biggest bang for the buck of any we've seen so far. There's plenty of concrete info and facts, and it's published by a very high-profile outfit, ESPN. Hard to ignore (though ITF will try).
There is a WADA committee that decides what percentage of anti-doping control samples from each individual sport should be tested for Erythropoiesis-stimulating agents (EPO-like substances" and 'hGH- and hGH like substances'. These assays are more expensive and decisions are made "in consultation with international federations".The respective numbers for tennis were 5% and 5% initially (now 10% and 5%, since 1/2016).I posted this in the comments section ages ago, since I found the numbers ludicrously low, and I LOLd that Badminton apparently needed to test twice as many samples for 'hGH-like substances' as tennis (and still does).Stewart Miller is on that committee.https://www.wada-ama.org/en/who-we-are/governance/technical-document-on-sport-specific-analysis-expert-groupHere is the WADA PDF that describes this in detail.https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada-tdssa-v2.3_en.pdf
That is the best mainstream analysis of tennis' anti-doping program that I have read. Someone did their homework. Bravo!
A few strange TUE's in this batch, that surprised me:A TUE for Remifentanil for peter Furling in sailing? you wont be going anywhere on the physical plane with that much Remfentnil in you. But what i don't get is why this needed seven days to approve. Surely you'd know well in advance wisdom teeth extraction will require painkillers?Table Tennis - Prednisolne againJudo -Bethamethasone - another anti inflammatory steroidEquestrianism - Steroid inhaler and formoterol - another asthmatic
Most egregious example of TUE misuse from the Fancy Bears is still Bethanie Mattek-Sands, IMO.WADA had to go to CAS to force Tennis to revoke approved TUE for DHEA (an anabolic hormone) diagnosed under most "interesting" circumstances.....Here is an abstract from a recent scientific article about how bogus DHEA scripts are for "adrenal disorders" http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o248/shuttlelaunch/ef959220-3177-4461-93e3-d0166d26fff2.png
I take it nobody's asked her about Dr Erics diagnosis of her condition, despite Ben Rothenbergs article.
The media treatment of sharapova's reduced ban is making me want to vomit. Her media spin team are trying to make out she has been a victim in all of this and the main stream media are totally buying it! No way a lesser player would get away with this - another example of her extreme privilege being shown for all to see.